Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
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Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 11, 2012 14:26:33 GMT -6
Yes, the only Prince of Prospect before Patch was Louis, who did indeed become King upon the abdication of King Robert I. (At least I believe so; does anyone know if Florence had any children during her reign? Back then, and indeed until the regency of Louis, the heir apparent need not be a citizen.) Under the 1989-2002 House Law, in case of failure of there to be a descendant of Robert I, the succession was recalculated from Harry L. Madison. Which meant that, 1989-2002, Jennifer Madison was heir presumptive and Princess of Prospect. Prior to 1989, there was no House Law, and so the descendants of King Florence, if there were any (I don't know), would not have legally been heirs to the throne.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 11, 2012 2:08:28 GMT -6
The section of the Organic Law quoted below seems to only allow inheritance of the throne to go back to King John Yes. However, if there had been legitimate issue of Robert I or Louis I, he would have legally become King before that amendment was adopted. In which case John I would not have been King of Talossa (the throne never having been legally vacant), but merely a pretender to the throne. That would make the validity of that amendment to the OrgLaw, if not clearly void, at least of debatable legitimacy. Except, of course, that the amendment requiring Talossan citizenship was adopted before Louis I abdicated. So Doug Earnest would have to prove that not only was he a legitimate descendant of Robert I, he would also have to prove he was senior to Prince Louis in the succession, so that he was the legitimate king instead of Louis, as 35 RZ35 by its wording would not have actually deposed a non-citizen king, it would just prevent a non-citizen from becoming King. In which case Louis would also have been a pretender. So, if Doug Earnest can show that he was born to Robert I to either Queen Jenny or Queen Amy during the time of their marriages to Robert I, and before Louis, then he would have been King Doug I on the day Robert I abdicated, and thus have a colorable argument to being the current King of Talossa. This would of course require various sorts of time travel, but time travel is not actually prohibited by the laws of physics as currently understood.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 11, 2012 0:51:14 GMT -6
Also, you've given me a wonderful idea. Since Talossa has a well established precedent of incorporating mythical heritage into its history, I'm considering linking myself in a family way to Robert I (since hey, the accusations have already been made) and claim that I was next in line to the throne. (His abdication was merely the result of diminished mental processes and can not be held against his lawful successors -- after all, hasn't he been referred to numerous times as "Mad" King Ben?) The House Law is, in fact, clear that in case of an abdication, the line of succession acts just as if the King had died. However, it's also clear that it secures the line of succession only to descendants of Robert I, not anyone who can claim any family relation. Unless you're claiming to be a descendant of Robert I or Louis I, your claim is null. And since your immigration introduction indicated you're several years older than Robert I, such a claim would take a really, really good explanation. (Oh, and it specifies legitimate descent from a marriage approved of by the Ziu. Are you the son of Queen Jenny, or Queen Amy?)
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 10, 2012 23:15:16 GMT -6
What would happen if Prince Andrew decided to become a citizen? Would he then automatically become the Prince of Prospect? Yes. As I understand it, Prince Patrick is merely heir presumptive under the current mix of the Organic Law and the old House Law; he can be displaced by Prince Andrew qualifying himself for the throne by becoming a citizen. Prince Andrew would not be a heir presumptive, but heir apparent. (By the way, Filaret was not titled Patriarch because he was the father of the Tsar; he was titled Patriarch because he held said office in the Russian Orthodox Church, just like the current Patriarch Kirill.)
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 10, 2012 16:26:05 GMT -6
... you must admit there's at least a surface incongruity in the leader of Peculiarists saying his #1 priority is a reform that would make Talossa more like the many countries that use party list proportional representation. You seem to operate under the assumption that it's the Peculiarists' intention to do crazy things and to be different by all means. You seem to operate under the assumption that my words actually mean something other that what they're actually saying.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
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Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 10, 2012 16:16:03 GMT -6
Hmm. Actually, SCIENTIA seems to lend itself to four books more than three, and I think I prefer per fess. Per fess vert and gules, four open books argent charged with the word SCIENTIA sable Attachments:
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 10, 2012 14:23:41 GMT -6
And now we've reached March 10th without the minimum number of students. Unfortunate.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 9, 2012 22:38:56 GMT -6
You can see the logo on the first page of this document. Ahah! Finally! It wasn't at all heraldic or blazonable, but it was cool-looking. Looking at it, I have to agree. Okay, can't put it on the University arms, then. My first instinct is to go with: Per pale vert and gules, three open books argent charged with the word SCIENTIA sable That takes the field reserved to the Talossan nation, evokes the arms of a famous and renowned university, and names the purpose of the University. On the other hand, I'm not sure that's sufficiently "cool".
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 9, 2012 18:39:39 GMT -6
The big issue with one MC one vote, as we've found out in the Republic, is the "vacant seat" problem caused by political apathy. This is, incidentally, why the current 200-seat Cosa was adopted in the Kingdom; the OrgLaw originally had a 20-seat "Real Cosa" with one-MC, one vote. A list system with the current 200-seat Cosâ could work by saying "#1 on the list has to have more seats than #2 and #3, etc etc." I note that there is nothing in Kingdom law that actually gives a party leader the power to decide who gets how many seats. Instead, the OrgLaw says that a party's seats shall be divided by that party as it sees fit. Parties in historical practice have left that up to the leader, but a party is perfectly capable of adopting its own rules requiring lists and such, binding on itself. Parties that wish to adopt the party list approach accordingly can go ahead and demonstrate the idea.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 9, 2012 17:28:15 GMT -6
Forgot to mention the secret ballot Higher or lesser in importance than one MC, one vote? being a Peculiarst doesn't mean that I have to wear a green-spotted pink bodysuit and a winged cap on my head. Of course not. But you must admit there's at least a surface incongruity in the leader of Peculiarists saying his #1 priority is a reform that would make Talossa more like the many countries that use party list proportional representation.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 9, 2012 16:22:42 GMT -6
A legislative body where everyone holds just one seat and one vote . . . isn't that, you know, rather a Derivativist view for the leader of a Peculiarist party?
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
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Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 9, 2012 13:19:06 GMT -6
All of that seems fine and dandy to me. Need to know the length and I will see if I can figure something out for you Istefan. I definatly agree with the thesis idea,especially if you are going to let people like me teach! Note that this is for permanent faculty. People who just want to teach a course will still be perfectly free to do so under the current rules as visiting/assistant professors/lecturers/whatever.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 9, 2012 0:07:36 GMT -6
As far i as know unless it has been kept secret their has been no problems to date with Party Registration Fees Well, there's the whole thing with the CSP and Eðo Grischun's lawsuit (Case 12-01 before the Uppermost Cort), which centered on registration fees, and to which I was referring.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
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Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 8, 2012 22:31:12 GMT -6
Okay, I've been letting my back-brain sort this sort of stuff out, and I think I've reached some tentative conclusions. Feel free to yell if you think I'm being insane or unwise.
1) Initially, the University of Talossa will only establish Profeßeirs Acreditats in fields of Talossan studies, since that is central to the University mission and a field of scholarship that is basically unduplicated in any more established institution. It's also one I feel reasonably competent to both judge and find other reviewers for.
2) Initial guideline on the minimum length of the Habilitationsschrift will be 7,500 words (30 pages at the usual guideline of 250 words/page). I think that's at least a good initial test of the "serious fun"; not as substantial as one would need at a "real" university, but still enough that, especially in an area as unexplored as Talossan studies, serious contributions can be made. This length may go up or down as experience dictates.
3) Profeßeirs Acreditats will, as faculty, have duties to the scholarship of the University in order to retain status as Profeßeirs Acreditats. They will be able to choose between either "research" or "instructional" duties each year, the former meaning publishing a certain minimum amount of material via the University of Talossa Press each year, the latter meaning a minimum courseload each year. These duties will be kept reasonably light, and sabbaticals will initially be granted generously.
4) Profeßeirs Acreditats will eventually have some sort of formal academic authority in the University through a faculty senate of some sort. This will in large part depend precisely on how much the Profeßeirs Acreditats actually want to take responsibility for actually operating the University.
5) I'd love the CÚG to give me a nice, short, euphonious Talossan word for Habilitationsschrift or "professorial thesis". However, if it doesn't, I am fully prepared to invent my own word and get it adopted into Talossan the old-fashioned way—ruthless and repetitive use until it can't be denied. THEY HAVE BEEN WARNED.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 8, 2012 18:05:04 GMT -6
I’d also recommend something more up-to-date than The Loom of Language. Well, that would require, in fact, an amendment to the OrgLaw, which specifies The Loom of Language. Anyway, its function is purely traditional, not a matter of how up-to-date it is. (Hool mentioned to me just a little while ago in a chat that the Kingdom has, indeed, acquired a Milwaukee FD hat of the same sort as the original "crown".)
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