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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jul 23, 2014 15:19:38 GMT -6
I didn't read much of the stuff, it's too hot and humid and too much of a Central European July for this. Also, I'm already preparing for my next trip to my place in northwestern Germany.
Anyway, I stumbled upon the urban myth that us Republicans (and especially the Republican leadership) succeeded in wrecking the Republic. This is bullshit. Yes, the Republic did not succeed in attracting immigrants and therefore was slowly sliding into a final slumber. But we shut it down in style, before an embarrassing collapse, following provisions of our second Constitution that had been written down for that case. The entire citizenry was involved in the process, and that's where the second myth came in.
According to some parts of the leak it was the RUMP that paved the road to Reunision. LOL. They paved it by sitting around, refusing to speak to the Republic's leadership and doing nothing at all, until President Shivâ sent her letter to the King, the one that got things rolling.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 23, 2014 15:52:36 GMT -6
The Polarbear/Goat speaks the truth. I have refrained from harping on this in order not to keep old grudges alive in the new united Talossa. But - if the leaks can be trusted, and no-one has claimed that they are forged or altered - the RUMP has been acting for a long time out of a deep suspicion, even contempt, for reviênsadéirs, covered by what the King refers to as "oblique language".
We need a clean-up and clean-out of the institutions of government. We also need an official Attorney-General's investigation - perhaps ending in criminal charges or even impeachments - as to whether T. Asmourescù conspired with other leading RUMP members to pervert the course of justice in the ESB affair. I assume the former admiral will be turning "King's Evidence" in this regard.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jul 24, 2014 3:49:33 GMT -6
The ESB affair is fascinating and somewhat puzzling me. Look at this new turn - what was it that made the leadership of the Kingdom go wild to an extent that some of them were willing to ignore laws for the purpose of getting rid of Eric by almost all means? More than others you and the ZRT have been hit by the fallout of the affair, so why didn't you guys react with the same rampaging zeal? Is this the sloppy Republican gene in us that will make us wreck a nationette over and over again? Seriously, I'd guess that Eric never expected / intended to cause so much (somewhat entertaining) trouble.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 24, 2014 3:56:19 GMT -6
what was it that made the leadership of the Kingdom go wild to an extent that some of them were willing to ignore laws for the purpose of getting rid of Eric by almost all means? What I really want is for Admiral Asmourescù to write an article explaining his state of mind at the time. He's talked to me about it in private (and apologised for it) - a belief that the ex-Republicans and/or the ZRT (the two were not entirely distinct) were a baleful force, a kind of cancer, which if not stopped by any means necessary would wreck everything good about Talossa. I think the departed citizen V. Marcianüs also felt that way (and also apologised for it). And remember that guy who made that post saying that one reason why people got turned off Talossa was "the Republicans"? Which suggests that Sir Alexandreu is wrong and this is not just a case of Admiral Asmourescù (or Viteu) being a bad person. It's something that comes from participation in a particular monarchist-reactionary-conservative political culture which in private anathemises and demonises its partners in Reunision, while claiming credit for Reunision. And it's only when that culture turns on Joe Schmoeu, its former cheerleader, that Joe realises how he'd been sucked in to working for the interests of people that were not the interests of Talossa. |
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jul 24, 2014 4:24:03 GMT -6
I'll keep saying for the honest world to hear that there's one thing in this Talossa that should be nationalised first and foremost: It's the throne. In plain English, I kind of desperately wish that monarchy will be abolished, for a large number of reasons.
Now everyone might shrug and say that this is the opinion of a minority. But apparently talking about a possible abolition of the monarchy suffices to ruin a monarchist's day. Maybe there's a deeply rooted angst, something like a foreboding that one day the public opinion might be turned around by the power of the better reasoning or something.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jul 24, 2014 4:38:32 GMT -6
But apparently talking about a possible abolition of the monarchy suffices to ruin a monarchist's day. Maybe there's a deeply rooted angst, something like a foreboding that one day the public opinion might be turned around by the power of the better reasoning or something. Sure there is. There are many monarchists who do not think that monarchy necessarily is a better way of governing (few of them are monarchists outside of Talossa), but for them monarchy is exotic and the very core of what is attractive about Talossa. They genuinely are of the opinion that without the monarchy, Talossa would lose its appeal both to them and to most would-be immigrants. It's Talossa as a fantasy, not as a nationette. And they might be right in part. We can't tell what it would do to immigration if we turned into a Republic. I do know, however, that as an egalitarian, I dislike the artificial respect paid to royalty just because they're royalty, and the extra weight and influence they have. So I'm a republican. |
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jul 24, 2014 5:05:31 GMT -6
what was it that made the leadership of the Kingdom go wild to an extent that some of them were willing to ignore laws for the purpose of getting rid of Eric by almost all means? What I really want is for Admiral Asmourescù to write an article explaining his state of mind at the time. He's talked to me about it in private (and apologised for it) - a belief that the ex-Republicans and/or the ZRT (the two were not entirely distinct) were a baleful force, a kind of cancer, which if not stopped by any means necessary would wreck everything good about Talossa. I think the departed citizen V. Marcianüs also felt that way (and also apologised for it). And remember that guy who made that post saying that one reason why people got turned off Talossa was "the Republicans"? Something really, really bothers me in the final leak (which I am not done reading yet). It's an exchange betwen Iusti and the leaker. I didn't include anything from Iusti other than an acknowledgement because I am against the leaks in the first place, but by leaking, I feel that the leaker gave use explicit permission to quote him. There is something in that last reply, a contempt for the republic. Both Kane and Ian had been high officials in the Kingdom before the secession. Kane had been an excellent Senechal, and Ian an excellent Secretary of State (if it was Ian A.) They both had long history of activity in the kingdom, having been Cosa Memebers for YEARS before joining the Republic. They pledged to be honest and impartial as a Judge, but out of these 3 judges, the only one we have any proof of improper action is the leaker. Peronsally, I am disgusted by this attitude. It's this frame of mind which led to the secession and certainly, lead ME to leave the Kingdom. People know that Miestra and I don't see eye to eye on many political issues in Talossa (but oddly enough, do in the outside world). But there is one thing we share in common, a high ideal for officials on how they should act. As far as I know, only 1 RUMP member of recent time can really claim credit for the Reunision, and that's me when I initiated the first peace talks prior to the arrival of the RUMP. It now seems as though the RUMP, when they reached power, tried everything they could to delay the reunision hoping for a weaker Republic to talk with. This was contrary to the spirit of the talks I had with the Kingdom with the CSP. |
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jul 24, 2014 5:09:22 GMT -6
But apparently talking about a possible abolition of the monarchy suffices to ruin a monarchist's day. Maybe there's a deeply rooted angst, something like a foreboding that one day the public opinion might be turned around by the power of the better reasoning or something. Sure there is. There are many monarchists who do not think that monarchy necessarily is a better way of governing (few of them are monarchists outside of Talossa), but for them monarchy is exotic and the very core of what is attractive about Talossa. They genuinely are of the opinion that without the monarchy, Talossa would lose its appeal both to them and to most would-be immigrants. It's Talossa as a fantasy, not as a nationette. And they might be right in part. We can't tell what it would do to immigration if we turned into a Republic. I do know, however, that as an egalitarian, I dislike the artificial respect paid to royalty just because they're royalty, and the extra weight and influence they have. So I'm a republican. Turning Talossa into a Republic doesn't mean that all fun stuff has to be dropped into the dustbin. For instance, a Republic could very well continue to support this branch that is exclusively designing, handing out and keeping track of coats of arms. Even as a Republic Talossa would be partly a commonly shared fantasy, and IMO it should continue to be a somewhat quirky society by all means. |
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jul 24, 2014 5:11:05 GMT -6
Both Kane and Ian had been high officials in the Kingdom before the secession. Kane had been an excellent Senechal, and Ian an excellent Secretary of State (if it was Ian A.) It's not me, it's Ián Tamorán that is referred to. |
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jul 24, 2014 5:22:56 GMT -6
Both Kane and Ian had been high officials in the Kingdom before the secession. Kane had been an excellent Senechal, and Ian an excellent Secretary of State (if it was Ian A.) It's not me, it's Ián Tamorán that is referred to. Thank you for the correction. |
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jul 24, 2014 13:12:38 GMT -6
For me, the good thing with all this leaking and striving is that it kind of brought me back to a center of my Talossan self.
Yes, I am a Peculiarist, who is wanting to see Talossa go on following her particular Talossan way, not caring for what other nations and nationettes believe to be the correct way of cultural and political independence.
Yes, I am a Liberal who believes in a lot of civil freedoms and the positive power of a voluntarism that is making dirigist solutions and measures obsolete.
But most of all I am a Republican dreamer who believes that an abolition of monarchy will improve the daily life in our nationette, because it belongs to all Talossans and not exclusively to a small, partly clandestine clique in the background. A perpetual, constitutionally controlled change in the leadership, at whim of the electorate, will make Talossa a more dynamic place.
Yes, I know. Talossa went through troubled days of a Revolution that caused a temporary split. Talossa has seen the abdication of a Founder who had lost his way and didn't work for the benefit of our nationette anymore. This may have scared some Talossans, the founders of The Talossan Kingdom v.2 stiff, but times have changed. Reunision threw a pebble into this frozen pond, curled up the waters, and there we go, headed for a better future.
You may not believe it, but everything is possible in Talossa. Even a Talossan spring - we're kind of deeply in it, even if most of us may not want to realise it yet. There are teething problems, like the court case that led to the leaking of those semi-private documents that we're reading now, with guilty pleasure.
Er, what was I to say... Vive la Republique. It's coming. It may take some years, still, but it's coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 7:12:18 GMT -6
Imagine if the Kingdom evolves into a republic, and then a group of monarchists break away to form a splinter kingdom!
I'm not saying I support any or the t'other part of this idea, I just want to get it out here so if it does happens I can link back this post and declare myself a prophet!
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jul 25, 2014 8:47:56 GMT -6
Imagine if the Kingdom evolves into a republic, and then a group of monarchists break away to form a splinter kingdom!I'm not saying I support any or the t'other part of this idea, I just want to get it out here so if it does happens I can link back this post and declare myself a prophet! Don't bother.... I was the first to foresee publicly the republic and it was forgotten to history... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 8:56:51 GMT -6
Imagine if the Kingdom evolves into a republic, and then a group of monarchists break away to form a splinter kingdom!I'm not saying I support any or the t'other part of this idea, I just want to get it out here so if it does happens I can link back this post and declare myself a prophet! Don't bother.... I was the first to foresee publicly the republic and it was forgotten to history... It's not lost to history anymore! All hail the Prophet Furxheir!  |
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jul 25, 2014 9:40:08 GMT -6
FURXHERISM HAS BEEN BORN! We are FURXHERS! Death be upon all those opposing us! HAIL THE FATHER'S SON FURXHEIR, FOR HE HATH COME TO FREE US! HAIL HIM!
HAIL, HAIL, HAIL!
^ Could this be how Christianity started out?
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"Ceterum censeo republicam proclamandum esse."
