Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 8, 2014 15:25:24 GMT -6
You've got a Distáin who picks up the slack. Close enough?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 8, 2014 15:30:37 GMT -6
My preference would be to have a Seneschal, really. I will say that it's great to see the Government finally start to do things and ask questions. The term is running out, but better late than never.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 8, 2014 17:34:34 GMT -6
What if a panel was appointed to catalog ALL the existing "Holidays" , and then categorized them by a certain criteria. Those holidays that do not meet the criteria are then "retired", and no longer part of the Talossan Calendar. And those that ARE judged to be important and recognizable holidays are then acknowledged and celebrated by the Culture Ministry ? I think that determining if Holidays stay or go should be a job of the citizens, in that sense the Ziu. It is the whole country's heritage, after all. And how do you suggest THAT occur?
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Owen Edwards
Puisne Justice
Posts: 1,400
Talossan Since: 12-8-2007
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Post by Owen Edwards on Jul 8, 2014 17:58:40 GMT -6
The Holiday of Hatred is our shared heritage in the same stratum of heritage that Grubi being persecuted macronationally by Ben is part of our shared heritage - the "Ben could be a massive piece of crap" way. Some things are best remembered but hardly best celebrated.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 8, 2014 18:14:50 GMT -6
My preference would be to have a Seneschal, really. If I squint really hard, turn my head and drink too much cough syrup, it looks like you're endorsing me for Seneschál. Let me have this golden dream.
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Post by Adm. T.M. Asmourescu, O. Ben. on Jul 8, 2014 18:34:45 GMT -6
If I squint really hard, turn my head and drink too much cough syrup I start writing Veronica Mars fan fiction. It's really weird. Happens at least a few times a year.
I am glad to see that the current government broke a political tradition, however the ModRad government is a little too "mod" and not enough "rad." If we consider that Dame Miestra becoming Seneschal wouldn't mean an immediate and lasting end to the Talossan monarchy (let's face it, the seneschal can't move mountains unless they also have a super majority in the Cosa and Senate) I think it would be very interesting to see Dame Miestra wear the seneschal's chain.
But that is probably a discussion that will come up in the next few weeks.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 8, 2014 19:00:14 GMT -6
My preference would be to have a Seneschal, really. If I squint really hard, turn my head and drink too much cough syrup, it looks like you're endorsing me for Seneschál. Let me have this golden dream. You're active, and he's not. Yes, I think that you should probably take over. Although on the other hand, the musical chairs cabinet had already caused some problems. Hmm. I don't know! I think you're competent and devoted, and I've heard worse ideas, I'll say that.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 8, 2014 19:29:20 GMT -6
If you still have confidence in me as Seneschál, let's talk again after the election, since the RUMP are now "decontaminated". But for now I am a loyal servant of the da Dhi government, and I will remain so for the rest of this Cosâ.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 8, 2014 19:43:00 GMT -6
While I'm sure it would be interesting if you were Seneschal, I think that the RUMP will probably choose a RUMP Seneschal after we take the majority.
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
Posts: 7,325
Talossan Since: 7-12-2005
Motto: PRIMA CAPIAM POCULA
Baron Since: 11-20-2005
Count Since: 9-8-2012
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Post by Hooligan on Jul 8, 2014 19:57:47 GMT -6
As the author of the law that said "Holy crap; enough is enough. Let's preserve everything, but only call these specific ones actual legitimate holidays" (a.k.a., The Citizens and Cestours Public Holiday Act), I have to (shock of shocks) come out in support of the current system. Ben chose to give the name "Holiday of Hatred" (due to the theft of his Talossan flag by anti-Talossan high-school bullies, who, you have to admit, were motivated by the juvenile mischief that is easily taken for hatred) to what we observe as the equivalent of "Flag Day". We have (through choice, inaction, or tradition, or some combination thereof) chosen to embrace that name, have built traditions around it (anyone who has been watching Witt for these many years knows how we all share — cathartically — our "hatreds" on that day), and we honour the day by taking our flag down and reflecting on what its absence means to us (and the larger world). I'm not in favour of expunging the acts of those who came before us. I was proud to have been instrumental in drawing an important line between one small set of them and the rest of them, and leaving it open for the Cosa to perpetually continue its long-standing tradition to name others, whether (or not) for reasons (and with names) that will stand the test of time. This is not me saying I wouldn't seriously consider voting ÜC on specific laws that repeal specific days of observance, if people propose them, but this is me saying I would start out pretty strongly on the CONTRĂ side of the proposal and would need convincing that there's a problem that we have a Day of Observance named X or Y on our books. (Frankly, repeal of certain more recently introduced ones would see more of my own personal support than repeal of longer-standing, even if oft-ignored, and that's fine, days.) Hool
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Post by Lupulüc "Lupüc" da Fhöglha on Jul 9, 2014 1:43:35 GMT -6
I think that determining if Holidays stay or go should be a job of the citizens, in that sense the Ziu. It is the whole country's heritage, after all. And how do you suggest THAT occur? Someone needs to propose Bills (since I'm not in the Ziu... yet...) that tweak the Holidays and days of observance.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 9, 2014 1:51:47 GMT -6
... which I fully intend to do, once we've had a thorough discussion.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 9, 2014 7:09:47 GMT -6
And how do you suggest THAT occur? Someone needs to propose Bills (since I'm not in the Ziu... yet...) that tweak the Holidays and days of observance. Why propose multiple Bills when the above mentioned Committee can perform the actions I suggested, and then present one Bill to the Ziu for approval?
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Post by Lupulüc "Lupüc" da Fhöglha on Jul 10, 2014 2:10:46 GMT -6
Someone needs to propose Bills (since I'm not in the Ziu... yet...) that tweak the Holidays and days of observance. Why propose multiple Bills when the above mentioned Committee can perform the actions I suggested, and then present one Bill to the Ziu for approval? Because if the Ziu doesn't approve of one of several changes listed in this one Bill, the Committee would have to resubmit the same Bill many times with slight modifications every time. By presenting one Bill with one change at a time, it would be easier to see what the Ziu is ready to change and what not to change.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 10, 2014 6:50:18 GMT -6
Because if the Ziu doesn't approve of one of several changes listed in this one Bill, the Committee would have to resubmit the same Bill many times with slight modifications every time. By presenting one Bill with one change at a time, it would be easier to see what the Ziu is ready to change and what not to change. I'd prefer not to flood the Clark with multiple bills (currently there are 30 holidays and days of observation). 30 separate bills would be excessive. That's why we wouldn't be submitting an omnibus bill many times. We submit it first to the Hopper, and we discuss it there, working out the objections and concerns before it is submitted on a Clark to the Ziu.
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