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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Aug 20, 2013 14:40:21 GMT -6
Azul, fellow Talossans! As I was studying a bit about the Kabyle language (hereinafter referred to as "Taqbaylit") of the Kabyle-Berber people, spoken in Algeria, I noticed following: Just like Talossan, but to a larger extent, Taqbaylit is (partially) satellite-framed. This means, that some verba of motion are rendered with certain suffixes to show the path of motion, e.g.:
"Truḥ-d temdint" [θəˈrʊħ ͡tsəmˈðɪnt] (d/t + t = ts) means She came from the city, whereas "Truḥ-n temdint" [θəˈrʊħən təmˈðɪnt] means She went to the city; "Ttawiɣ-n kas n waman" [͡tsæwɪʁən çæs bæmæn] (n + w = bb) means She took/carried a glass of water away, whereas "Ttawiɣ-d kas n waman" [͡tsæwɪʁəð çæs bæmæn] means She brought a glass of water.
In fact, Talossan makes the same when using "irh": "A veneva dal cità" She came from the city, and "A veneva àl cità" She went to the city.
Was this known unto Madison, when he merged irh and viénarh together? Or did it really just happen by itself?
EDIT: Sorry, there was a mix up with the "Kas n waman"-sentences.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 21, 2013 19:31:31 GMT -6
That's very interesting! Madison left few details about what specific aspects of the language were inspired by Berber, other than the origin of some words. I would guess that he did not base the merger of irh and viénarh on that feature of Kabyle, but it's possible that he did, and definitely makes that feature of Talossan more plausible if you posit a Berber substrate for the language.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Aug 21, 2013 19:39:29 GMT -6
I think we should posit a Berber substrate, since we insist on a Berber heritage and ancestry.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 21, 2013 19:46:00 GMT -6
That's always been part of the mythical origin of the language. This is a very good piece of evidence in support of the mythical theory.
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