Week Two Homework

[Iustì Carlüs Canun]

All right, folks. This week I want you to look again at your wordlist, and at least one other person's list.

Write the English words with Talossan spelling, and write the correct pronunciation of the Talossan words (IPA, dictionary pronunciation letters, as long as I know what you mean).

For example, if your wordlist included the word "cat/cäts," you would write "cät/cats," because in Talossan the /æ/ sound is "ä" and the word cäts is pronounced like the English "cats" (you could also write /kæts/ or [kăts] for that, and it would thrill my soul if you used the first one)

That's all for this week.

[Hooligan]

Jul 23, 2013 23:22:03 GMT -6 Adam da Simeon said:

Well here is my pronunciation homework.

I think Iustì also meant that he wishes to see the English word respelled using Talossan letters.

For example, the sound of saying the English word "bomb" might be spelled (in Talossan letters) as bam.

[Adam da Simeon]

Jul 24, 2013 10:29:13 GMT -6 Hooligan said:

Jul 23, 2013 23:22:03 GMT -6 Adam da Simeon said:

Well here is my pronunciation homework.

I think Iustì also meant that he wishes to see the English word respelled using Talossan letters.

For example, the sound of saying the English word "bomb" might be spelled (in Talossan letters) as bam.

Oops

[Adam da Simeon]

Well, it should be done correctly now, but to be safe on this, I will keep the pronunciation in IPA there.

Spelling Pronunciation Talossan Lettering

hatred/armiqesi ɑr-meɪ-keɪ-seɪ hätred
language/glheþ ly-ɛth länguixh
meat/viind vi:nd mit
human/þuman thuɚ:-mɑn humen
star/itri i:t-ri: star
water/apa ɑ-pɑ wator
door/poarta poʊar-ta dor
picture/pictür pi:k-tur pectur
sword/espäts (sverdeu) əs-pæts (sver-dɪw) sord
nation/naziun na-zi:uɚn nerhen
apple/apal ɑ-pɑl äpl
bomb/bomba boʊm-bɑ bam
planet/eratica ə-rɑ-ti:-kɑ plänet
city/citá ci:-tɑ ceti
photon/foton foʊ-toʊn foton
bowl/tamenast tɑmə-nɑst bol
computer/computex koʊm-puɚ-təx cumputer
house/casa kɑ-sɑ häus
dirt/iac'h i:-ɑch dert
earth/tzara t-zɑ-rɑ urþ

[Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă]

Here is part one - though I am sure there are several errors.

land/terresc/teyr-resk/länd
sky/céu/s-i-ow/scai
house/casa/ka-sa/hauß
fire/féu/f-i-ow/fjre
water/apa/a-pa/wáter
table/taval/ta-val/teble
chair/cadeira/ka-dej-re/ceär
summer/etéu/et-i-ow/samer
winter/bivereu/bee-ver-i-ow/winter
autumn/otogneu/a-to-ny-i-ow/átum
mother/matra/mah-trah/muþer
father/patreu/pah-trey-oo/fáþer
sister/soror/soe-roe-r/sister
brother/fratreu/fruh-trey-oo/bruþer
aunt/tanta/tahn-tah/ánt
uncle/vucul/voo-kool/unkal
grandmother/ama/ah-mah/grändmuþer
grandfather/apa/ah-pah/grändfoþer
cousin/cuzin/coo-zeen/cuzin
husband/espoceu/es-poh-say-oo/husbend

[Jack Bevolo]

atxör/äziɾ
blu/blɘw
çalés’cial/ʧe̞ðe̞stɘw
váilet/vjole̞t
pörpöl/puɾp‏yː
marun/funsät
red/roʤ
réddesch bräun/ämbɾäkäfiränkɘw
bräun/bɾänɘw
bläc/ne̞gɾɘw
dörti wait/äðe̞gnäs
blänc/bjänsɘw
wait/älvɘw
darc grei/äðe̞mðäɾ
grinesch grei/gläwk
grei/gɾiʃun
matãlic grei/e̞ze̞ɾiɘw
waitisch jello/e̞ve̞ɾiɘw
vörmeljan/ve̞ɾme̞w
ciainis/ʧine̞ʃ
mathör/mätɾä
fathör/pätrɘw
sestör/soɾoɾ
brathör/fɾätɾɘw
änt/täntä
ancöl/vukuː
gränmathör/ämä
gränfathör/äpä
cazen/kuzin(ä)
hazbend/e̞spoʧɘw
waif/uʃoɾ
dotör/fiʎä
san/fiʎɘw
fämili/fämiʎä
perentz/pätrɘwʃ
sebling/äɲä
grändotör/ne̞ftiʎä
gränsan/ne̞ps
nefju/ne̞pot
niç/nje̞ptä

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Talossan	→ IPA	English	→ Talossan Orthography
invändreir	[inˈvændɾɛjɾ]	immiɡrant	imigrînt (î as the Russian ы, as this seemed the nearest vowel)
oresc	[ɔˈɾɛsk]	golden	gowldîn
famiglha	[fəˈmiʎə]	family	fämîli
coraziun	[kɔɾəˈ͡tsjũ]	heart	h̩̩̩̩àt
moart	[mo̯art]	death	däþ
figlheu	[ˈfiʎɛʊ̯]	son	san
heßlec'h	[hɛsˈlɛx]	uɡly	aɡ'li
apa	[ˈapə]	water	wota
Súladi	[ˈsuɫəði]	Sunday	sándei
carpien	[kəɾˈpiʲɛn]	vehicle	v̩̩íjîcal
aicì	[ajˈ͡tʃi]; loss of /j/ as [äʲˈ͡tʃi]?	here	he(j)
översteir	[ˈøvəɾstɛjɾ]	translator	tränzleita
säp	[sæp]	knowledge	nólixh
tambour	[tamˈbuɾ]	drum	dram
biançéu/alveu	[bjənˈsɛʊ̯], [ˈɑɫvəʊ̯] unstressed -eu → schwa+/ʊ̯/?	white	wait
etéu	[ɛˈtɛʊ̯]	summer	sama
piova/imbreu	[ˈpjɔvə], [ˈimbɾəʊ̯]	rain	rein
Guscht	[ɡuʃt]	August	Ógîst
óifisch	[ˈɔjfɪʃ]	office	áfis
xhenoglhen	[͡dʒɛˈnɔʎən]	knees	Niz
expectaçal	[ɛkspɛktəˈsɑu̯]	expectation	expectejschîn
sventüra	[svɛnˈtyrə]	unhappiness	enhäpinîs
Listopäts	[ˈɫistɔpæ͡ts]	Octobre	Ectowba
aqirarh	[aciˈɾɑʃ]	acquire	equaja

Question:
Can it be argued that "q" is rather than /k/ pronounced as /c/, when not adjacent to "u" (where it is /kw/ or /kʷ/) or in "qátor" and derivatives?

[Txosuè Pologn]

I apologize for missing this assignment. I've just gotten home from an unexpected business trip that I had to leave on Tuesday for. I assure you, I will complete all assignments from here.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Jul 28, 2013 19:37:17 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

Question:
Can it be argued that "q" is rather than /k/ pronounced as /c/, when not adjacent to "u" (where it is /kw/ or /kʷ/) or in "qátor" and derivatives?

It's quite funny that you should mention that, because I am at this very moment reading some notes I sent to Lord Hooligan wherein I posed the very same question myself. Sir Tomás once noted that Talossan q comes from Albanian, where it is pronounced /c/, and the word that you cite as an example (qátor) is inspired by Irish ceathair, which starts with a "slender" c, also pronounced /c/.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Jul 28, 2013 21:22:50 GMT -6 Sir C. M. Siervicül said:

It's quite funny that you should mention that, because I am at this very moment reading some notes I sent to Lord Hooligan wherein I posed the very same question myself. Sir Tomás once noted that Talossan q comes from Albanian, where it is pronounced /c/, and the word that you cite as an example (qátor) is inspired by Irish ceathair, which starts with a "slender" c, also pronounced /c/.

Are you sure that qátor is inspired from Irish and not Latin quattuor? Because I had the impression that qátor were an exception to be pronounced as /ˈkɑtɔɾ/…

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Jul 29, 2013 4:57:13 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

Are you sure that qátor is inspired from Irish and not Latin quattuor? Because I had the impression that qátor were an exception to be pronounced as /ˈkɑtɔɾ/…

Sorry, I wasn't clear there. I didn't mean qátor was taken directly from Irish. But several number words were replaced in 1997 with ones closer to African Latin forms. The Talossan word for four used to be ceathair and was replaced by qátor. The word for forty was cearéinçe and was not replaced in 1997. The CÚG replaced cearéinçe with qareinçe in 2007 (see discussion here), but Sir Tomás Gariçeir had independently suggested qareinçe in 2005. All of these words notionally began with /k/ rather than /kj/ or /c/, even the ones spelled with ce like Irish. But when Sir Tomás suggested qareinçe in 2005, he described cearéinçe as pronounced /'kjarejns/.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Jul 30, 2013 3:30:28 GMT -6 Sir C. M. Siervicül said:

Sorry, I wasn't clear there. I didn't mean qátor was taken directly from Irish. But several number words were replaced in 1997 with ones closer to African Latin forms. The Talossan word for four used to be ceathair and was replaced by qátor. The word for forty was cearéinçe and was not replaced in 1997. The CÚG replaced cearéinçe with qareinçe in 2007 (see discussion here), but Sir Tomás Gariçeir had independently suggested qareinçe in 2005. All of these words notionally began with /k/ rather than /kj/ or /c/, even the ones spelled with ce like Irish. But when Sir Tomás suggested qareinçe in 2005, he described cearéinçe as pronounced /'kjarejns/.

Ah yes, I see! Interesting fact, indeed. I am grateful that one can learn a lot here; that happens all too seldomly.