Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 10, 2013 20:47:27 GMT -6
Yes, I know that. I thought the rules were different concerning devices, but if I'm wrong that's no big worry. Yes, you are incorrect.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 13, 2013 3:19:28 GMT -6
Erm, I think we can probably call it a day (without the rose badge)
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 13, 2013 11:56:47 GMT -6
Here is another idea that might satisfy you :-) This meets the rules of tincture (no color on color), complexity (a complexity of 7) and it looks good. If you like this rendering, it would most likely pass the muster of the Squirrel King and the Blanc Wolf.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 13, 2013 14:33:51 GMT -6
That's nice - I like that design. Would it be possible to use a slightly better image for the rose? Perhaps this one?
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 13, 2013 15:27:37 GMT -6
Unfortunately, the red rose you want me to use is the Red Rose of the House of Lancaster, a royal house that once sat on the throne of England (Henry VI was the last Lancastrian on the English throne). As such, this is a royal symbol and cannot be used unless the petitioner is actually a member of the House of Lancaster. Sorry.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 13, 2013 17:35:46 GMT -6
Well, could a better quality image be used instead, at least?
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 13, 2013 21:30:27 GMT -6
Well, could a better quality image be used instead, at least? With all due respect - When we create these CoA's in this stage of the request, we are using stock images to get a feel of the graphics for the CoA. Please take into account that what is presented at this stage is not the final work, but a work in progress. Once the design is approved by the petitioner, then our artists take the rough draft of the CoA and begin to fine tune the graphics. Before the Fellow submits both the Graphic and the Blazon to the Squirrel King, he will refine the image to your approval. From there, the Squirrel King will refine the image even greater. I'm just trying to let you know that this is not the final image.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jun 14, 2013 1:30:37 GMT -6
Not that I am wise to the workings of the College of Arms, but aren't you guys just emblazoning? The actual arms that the applicant can use aren't depending at all on the mock-ups that you use to visualize the process, are they?
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 14, 2013 3:20:19 GMT -6
Well, could a better quality image be used instead, at least? With all due respect - When we create these CoA's in this stage of the request, we are using stock images to get a feel of the graphics for the CoA. Please take into account that what is presented at this stage is not the final work, but a work in progress. Once the design is approved by the petitioner, then our artists take the rough draft of the CoA and begin to fine tune the graphics. Before the Fellow submits both the Graphic and the Blazon to the Squirrel King, he will refine the image to your approval. From there, the Squirrel King will refine the image even greater. I'm just trying to let you know that this is not the final image. Yes, I'm aware of this - I'm simply noting that when the time comes I would like for the rose to be of better quality, doing my best to be as helpful in putting across how I would like my arms to look despite knowing very little about heraldry. I sense some annoyance at my particularity, but all I'm trying to do is try to get a coat of arms that I'm happy with; the whole reason it's taken me so long is because I'm aware that when it comes to this, I was always going to be quite picky and I didn't want to step on any toes.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jun 14, 2013 3:38:43 GMT -6
Not that I am wise to the workings of the College of Arms, but aren't you guys just emblazoning? The actual arms that the applicant can use aren't depending at all on the mock-ups that you use to visualize the process, are they? Yes, that is mostly correct -- except we are blazoning, rather than emblazoning. The emblazon is the graphic depiction, which could be prepared by any heraldic artist according to the blazon granted.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 14, 2013 7:20:08 GMT -6
So with that said by The Bartleby Pursuivant, the recipient of the CoA is not required to use the exact depiction of the Blazon that the College produces.
Mostly, it's done to give a visualization of the CoA, and because it's tailored to fit the avatar limitations of Wittenberg. Anyone that has been granted a CoA by the Blanc Wolf is free to have a different heraldic artist create the emblazon for their use.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 14, 2013 7:25:09 GMT -6
I uploaded one with a different rose.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 14, 2013 9:24:07 GMT -6
I uploaded one with a different rose. That's really good, Txec! Thank you for putting up with my picky-ness, I rather think I'm content with this.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 14, 2013 10:15:32 GMT -6
Azul Estimat S:reu Xheraltescu,
I have blazoned the Coat of Arms below. Once I have your final approval, I will forward this blazon with its accompanying emblazon to the Squirrel King of Arms.
Per pale vert and argent, a tower counterchanged, in chief a mullet one point to base argent and a rose gules barbed and seeded or.
Regards, The Fulbright Fellow
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 14, 2013 10:23:32 GMT -6
*gives final approval*
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