Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
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Post by Hooligan on Jul 23, 2012 15:21:02 GMT -6
The Office of the Prime Minister __________________________
L'Óifisch del Seneschal
Cabinet Recommendations Voastra Maxhestà — I come now before the throne seeking an audience to recommend the appointment of Ministers to Your Majesty’s Government. The following Talossans have proven through their abilities, hard work, dedication, loyalty, and most of all their Talossanity that they will serve the nation well as Ministers in Your Majesty's Government. Therefore, I, Ma la Mha, Seneschal del Regipäts Talossan, with all duly vested authority and stuff, hereby recommend that Your Gracious Majesty appoint these loyal subjects to the following cabinet posts: | Çesli da Chilseuto the position of Distain; |
| Danihel Meriulato the position of Minister of Home Affairs; | | Istefan Perþonestto the position of Minister of Finance; | | Béneditsch Ardpresteirto the position of Attorney-General; | | Stéafan d'Unmortadelto the position of Minister of Stuff; | | Eldsfäts Blasiüsto the position of Minister of Foreign Affairs; | | Bradley Holmesto the position of Minister of Defence; | | Viteu Marcianüsto the position of Minister of Culture; and | | Davíu Lundescuto the position of Minister of Immigration. |
Confident that the Crown will consent to accept these wise recommendations, may I be the first to congratulate each of the newly appointed Ministers and I wish them every success in their Ministries. I look forward to working with you all over the upcoming term. Baron Tepistà SeneschalL.S.
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King John
King of Talossa
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Post by King John on Jul 23, 2012 16:18:30 GMT -6
We John, by the Grace of God King of Talossa and all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, etc., etc., do hereby accept and approve these nominations and make these appointments. Congratulations to all, and many thanks for agreeing to serve.
Done under Our hand royal at the city of Denver in Colorado this 23rd day of July, being the Feast of St John Cassian, Abbot and Doctor, in the year of salvation 2012, the 33rd of the independence of Talossa, and of Our reign the sixth.
— John Regeu
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Jul 23, 2012 16:32:27 GMT -6
I am honoured to be so appointed. Thank you Your Majesty. Thank you My Lord. Hope to serve Talossa well and in an upright manner. - Ben Ard
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 23, 2012 18:00:19 GMT -6
Congratulations to all these new cabinites!
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Jul 23, 2012 19:12:40 GMT -6
Congratulations to the new Ministers. Loving those shade Béneditsch.
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Jul 23, 2012 19:49:33 GMT -6
While I wish it were Daph making the recommendations, it does my heart good nevertheless to see so much relative new-blood taking up the reigns of service to the people of this great country. :-)
GV
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Post by Martì Prevuost on Jul 23, 2012 20:03:44 GMT -6
The Inferior Cort takes judicial notice of these appointments and extends congratulations to the newly formed government. MAG-the-Magistrate
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Çesli da Chilseu
Cunstaval to Vuode
Citizen of Talossa
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Post by Çesli da Chilseu on Jul 23, 2012 20:05:30 GMT -6
Thank you! What a nice birthday gift. =)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 20:11:08 GMT -6
Congratulations Ministers!
And might I add I am delighted that we have such a handsome government these days (take that USA)!
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 23, 2012 21:06:06 GMT -6
Congratulations to all Cabinet members.
The Seneschál was kind enough to offer cabinet seats to ZRT members in this reshuffle. In accordance with our principles that Talossa needs an Opposition which will put a contrary opinion to the Government, rather than a cosy consensus which has the effect of marginalising and delegitimising dissent, we turned these down. In addition, joining a government with another party which has a secure majority will leave any minority in the Cabinet no leverage.
It is disappointing that no other party has made the same principled stand. Although one might ask, to what extent will cxhn. Blasiüs be allowed to go on with his quixotic legislative solo-runs without dragging the whole Cabinet into it?
So it falls to the ZRT, and the ZRT alone, to provide an alternative Government and an alternative vision of the future. Game on.
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
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Post by Hooligan on Jul 23, 2012 21:47:36 GMT -6
Concerning the response of the esteemed leader of the opposition, the Office of the Seneschal issues the following statement: It was with regret but understanding that the Seneschal received the refusal of four ZRT members to serve in government. The Seneschal and his party has never been in the business of "marginalising and delegitimising dissent", but respects the beliefs of the ZRT that its members will best serve Talossa from outside the government. As the esteemed leader of the opposition was informed, "The RUMP, when organising and running the government, has never made politics a factor or an issue, and rather tenders offers to serve our common nation in the various ministries to those active citizens who seem best qualified for each office, regardless of their political affiliation. I believe that to do otherwise would be to administer a lesser government than Talossa deserves. The RUMP truly believes that all Talossans of all stripes can and should be found working together in their common government." The RUMP believes that the government should represent all of Talossa, and while understanding and respecting the choice of ZRT members not to participate in the Cabinet, is nonetheless saddened that 20+% of the electorate will not be represented in the administration of the executive ministries of their nation.
That said, the Seneschal wishes to express his deep happiness with the Cabinet as constituted, and that he has great and high hopes for each of the members in the conduct of their duties. It is felt that Talossa's various ministries will all see great progress and are all in extremely good hands. Separate from this statement, the Seneschal issued the following statement concerning the Right Honourable Minister of Foreign Relations: The Cabinet and all Talossans are free to join any solo-run, such as the many made by esteemed citizens such as Danihel Laurier over the years, or to choose not to do so. For any person to propose an act that he or she knows will fail may be quixotic, but any reading of Don Quixote will show that quixotic acts are sometimes anything but foolish. Persons of principle are always free to act on principles, and should not be condemned. I do not believe that the proposers of either of the admittedly (by their proposers) quixotic solo-acts ("Jewish Carpenter" and "Lucifer", proposed by the Right Honourable Minister of Culture) have in any way attempted to "drag" anyone into anything. Neither have in any way proselytized their beliefs, and both (like the rest of us) are free to say, "I represent people who think this would be cool for Talossa; we know we are in the minority, but this is what we believe". In Talossa, such freedoms are sacrosanct, and should not bring condemnation upon those who exercise them. If proposing an act that fails the Ziu is to be considered trying to force the will of a minority upon the majority (something that is impossible in a democracy such as Talossa), then most of us have been guilty of that in the past. Acts are proposed. Acts fail to pass. It does not mean those who wish they would pass are somehow wishing to dictate to the rest of us. Finally, in directly addressing the honourable leader of the opposition herself, the Seneschal had this to say: Your committment to demonstrating your vision of an alternative Talossan government is admirable, and as you know, I greatly respect your (and your party's) concept of a Talossan opposition unlike one that has been seen in recent years. I wish to you the best in your efforts, for I know that we both share the same wishes that our nation grow, prosper, and succeed wildly. The government looks forward to working with the opposition, and even to the workings of the opposition against it, for together we can and will all build an even better Talossa. Hooligan Seneschal
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Post by Eldsfäts Blasiüs on Jul 23, 2012 21:55:06 GMT -6
Congratulations to all Cabinet members. The Seneschál was kind enough to offer cabinet seats to ZRT members in this reshuffle. In accordance with our principles that Talossa needs an Opposition which will put a contrary opinion to the Government, rather than a cosy consensus which has the effect of marginalising and delegitimising dissent, we turned these down. In addition, joining a government with another party which has a secure majority will leave any minority in the Cabinet no leverage. It is disappointing that no other party has made the same principled stand. Although one might ask, to what extent will cxhn. Blasiüs be allowed to go on with his quixotic legislative solo-runs without dragging the whole Cabinet into it? So it falls to the ZRT, and the ZRT alone, to provide an alternative Government and an alternative vision of the future. Game on. Perhaps I'm being naive here, but what on earth does a Cabinet position have to do with any legislation or other votes that may take place? True, a Prime Minster *could* decide to only given cabinet posts to those willing to tow a particular line. I would like to think that, given that ZRT was offered posts and graciously declined, this is obviously not the reality of the current administration. As it is, I believe that each individual Cabinet member would resign rather than be coerced into a particular voting requirement. Though you'd have to ask them individually if you absolutely wanted to know each person's view.
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Jul 23, 2012 22:06:00 GMT -6
I just realized that the last time I was in Kingdom Opposition was in late summer August 2001 when I left the old RCT party to become a PC supporter. Eleven years is a long time. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 22:09:20 GMT -6
Congratulations to all Cabinet members. The Seneschál was kind enough to offer cabinet seats to ZRT members in this reshuffle. In accordance with our principles that Talossa needs an Opposition which will put a contrary opinion to the Government, rather than a cosy consensus which has the effect of marginalising and delegitimising dissent, we turned these down. In addition, joining a government with another party which has a secure majority will leave any minority in the Cabinet no leverage. It is disappointing that no other party has made the same principled stand. Although one might ask, to what extent will cxhn. Blasiüs be allowed to go on with his quixotic legislative solo-runs without dragging the whole Cabinet into it? So it falls to the ZRT, and the ZRT alone, to provide an alternative Government and an alternative vision of the future. Game on. Perhaps I'm being naive here, but what on earth does a Cabinet position have to do with any legislation or other votes that may take place? True, a Prime Minster *could* decide to only given cabinet posts to those willing to tow a particular line. I would like to think that, given that ZRT was offered posts and graciously declined, this is obviously not the reality of the current administration. As it is, I believe that each individual Cabinet member would resign rather than be coerced into a particular voting requirement. Though you'd have to ask them individually if you absolutely wanted to know each person's view. Actually, this is the hallmark of parliamentary democracies. The Opposition will form a Shadow Government waiting for the opportunity for the government to fall and they possibly step in. In Talossa, this isn't possible as if a VOC fails, we go right into elections without the possibility of another government forming. Also, when a party takes a cabinet position in a coalition government, there is an understanding that they will not vote down a VOC. Miestra and the ZRT are acting as an Opposition party. The RUMP has set up a coalition government by bringing in the minority parties.
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Post by Eldsfäts Blasiüs on Jul 23, 2012 22:15:14 GMT -6
This is an interesting point. My perspective was that, as a member of CeR, I was assuming a position which was separate from my voting activities. Which is to say that if RUMP tried to tell me how to vote (ordering, rather than persuading which is of course fair game) I'd tell them to go pound sand. But I never in a million years would have foreseen such an event, especially if ZRT had accepted one or more Cabinet positions.
Is there some sort of implicit agreement that Cabinet members are supposed to support all Seneschal party backed proposals?
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