[PROPOSAL] The Fiôvân Culture Law

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

1.The Government of Fiova establishes itself as the heir to and preserver of the cutural patrimony of the Talossan Republic (2004-2012).

2.The provincial anthem of Fiôvâ shall consist of words written in whole or part by a Fiôvân, and set to the music of "Fiume", by Ronan Harris and Mark Jackson.

3.In addition to the national holidays of Talossa, the provincial holidays of Fiôvâ shall be:
(a) January 13: Yennaer
(b) the first Tuesday occurring after February 19 until February 28: La Carlevà Fiôván
(c) April 1: Ziuâ d'iêns Regeu për 'n Ziuâ
(d) June 1: Ziuâ dàl Revoluziun
(e) Sept 26: Ziuâ dels Ereux Talossáes és Fiôváes / Ziuâ da Penguinea

4.The Government of Fiova shall continue to support the "classic" orthography and grammar of the Talossan Language, as established before the Arestadâ of 2007, as a full and valid alternative to the form currently maintained by the CÚG. It shall also support a future “compromise” form of the language acceptable to all speakers.

5. The Government of Fiova shall gift the sash formerly worn by the President of the Talossan Republic to the National Archives of Talossa, with the understanding that the King of Talossa shall wear it as part of the Royal Regalia, in particular on June 1 and December 26.

6.The Government of Fiôvâ shall take on responsibility for the archiving of the websites and forums of the Talossan Republic, and for making their content as available to historians as is compatible with the privacy rights of contributors.

7.The Government of Fiôvâ shall promote new webforums providing (a) a private forum for Talossans only; (b) an open forum for communication between Talossans and non-Talossans of good will. The “Citizens Lounge” and “Landing Pier” forums on Witt-XII will be kept functional until they are replaced.

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

I hope it is not to late to ask this question... this newer Talossan, is it supposedly pronounced differently, are there syntactical differences etc, or is it solely a matter of a different orthography?

[EM Vürinalt]

It's just orthography. Diacritics that mark stress are only used in places where words have unusual stress, rather than all over the place. A few consonant clusters were simplified, but pronunciation is identical.

At least, that's my understanding.

Don't take me the wrong way on this, but I find it kind of ironic that the ZRTers are so progressive in their political stances with regards to the Monarchy, but are so willing to hold on to language conventions set down by Mad King Ben himself.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Formally, the office of the Capitan wishes to declare that it has no amendments to the bill and wishes to co-sponsor this piece of legislation.

S:r Vürinalt, the older orthography was also used in the Republic; it's purely cultural.

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

If it is really only and exclusively orthography, then what is so wrong with getting rid of all that diacritical parsley that "Classic Talossan" is famous for?

It would be a different pair of shoes if the reformed Talossan would give up on certain phonemes, because this would be a reform of the pronunciation and under the assumption, that Talossan is kind of a natural language, the one that developed since the time of the mythical Berbers, this would be a no-goer, just like if someone proposed to get rid of the English "th" just because some foreigners can't pronounce that properly.

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

EDIT: Withdrawn

[AMENDMENT] #1

Article 7 is modified as follows:

7. The Government of Fiôvâ shall promote new webforums providing (a) a private forum for Talossans only; (b) an open forum for communication between Talossans and non-Talossans of good will. The “Citizens Lounge” and “Landing Pier” forums on Witt-XII will be kept functional until they are replaced.

Because now on this Witt there's already a private forum for Talossans olny, "The Chat Room"

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

[AMENDMENT] #2 (edit)
[AMENDMENT] #1

Article 4 is modified as follows:

4. The Government of Fiova Fiôvâ shall continue to supports, as a full and valid alternative, the preservation and codification of the "classic" orthography and grammar of the Talossan Language , as established as used before the Arestadâ of 2007, as a full and valid alternative to the form currently maintained by the CÚG. It shall also support a future “compromise” form of the language acceptable to all speakers.

The eventual role of a provincial institution I think it's to support, preserve and make publicly available the older forms of the language, like the Norway example. Lobbying for a new CÚG Arestadâ is for Citizens, Deputies, Senators, etc etc... not for Provincial Institutions.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Wow... how did I not know until now that the Chat Room is Witt-XI's Citizen's Lounge? Don't I feel foolish.

Jul 13, 2012 2:50:41 GMT -6 Üc R. Tärfâ said:

[AMENDMENT] #1

Article 7 is modified as follows:

7. The Government of Fiôvâ shall promote new webforums providing (a) a private forum for Talossans only; (b) an open forum for communication between Talossans and non-Talossans of good will. The “Citizens Lounge” and “Landing Pier” forums on Witt-XII will be kept functional until they are replaced.

Because now on this Witt there's already a private forum for Talossans olny, "The Chat Room"

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Jul 13, 2012 2:13:16 GMT -6 D. N. Vercáriâ said:

If it is really only and exclusively orthography, then what is so wrong with getting rid of all that diacritical parsley that "Classic Talossan" is famous for?

It would be a different pair of shoes if the reformed Talossan would give up on certain phonemes,

Actually, Deet, it does. Reformed Talossan gets rid of î. And it's not just "diacritical spinach". It throws out some of the more charming features of Talossan 2.1: to give a few examples, the â which marks a feminine noun/adjective, or the silent ë that marks an irregular verb infinitive. They also changed it so all verb infinitives end in -rh rather than -r.

As far as I'm concerned, Tomás Gariçéir is the final authority on ár glheþ amadâ, and I support his attitude that Reformed Talossan loses a lot of what made Talossan cool and quirky.

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

Jul 13, 2012 17:42:52 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Wow... how did I not know until now that the Chat Room is Witt-XI's Citizen's Lounge? Don't I feel foolish.

Mmm I'm sure you can't read if you're not logged in (like the Immigration Board), but I wonder if it's open to citizens or to users... Which include also prospectives and visitors, because I think I could read it while I was a visitor. If this is confirmed, I'll withdraw Amendment #1.

BTW: Could you modify all Fiova occurences with Fiôvâ?

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Jul 14, 2012 2:23:15 GMT -6 Üc R. Tärfâ said:

BTW: Could you modify all Fiova occurences with Fiôvâ?

Yep. I will produce a text for final vote at the end of the week which does that, if there are no other amendments.

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

Jul 13, 2012 17:45:46 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

As far as I'm concerned, Tomás Gariçéir is the final authority on ár glheþ amadâ, and I support his attitude that Reformed Talossan loses a lot of what made Talossan cool and quirky.

You know me well enough to know that hearing of "final authorities" doesn't make me stand to attention, but Tomás is one of the few people who were actually speaking Talossan before the Arrestada, so he should indeed have been heard when it came to making Talossan simpler for clumsy cestoûr tongues.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Jul 14, 2012 2:23:15 GMT -6 Üc R. Tärfâ said:

Mmm I'm sure you can't read if you're not logged in (like the Immigration Board), but I wonder if it's open to citizens or to users... Which include also prospectives and visitors, because I think I could read it while I was a visitor.

I believe you're correct; the Chat Room is open to anyone with a Witt account, not just citizens.

Jul 14, 2012 4:34:00 GMT -6 D. N. Vercáriâ said:

Tomás is one of the few people who were actually speaking Talossan before the Arrestada, so he should indeed have been heard when it came to making Talossan simpler for clumsy cestoûr tongues.

Hearing his voice would have been great in principle, but at the time, the ears were listening but no voice was speaking.

My apologies in advance if this thread is for Fiorans only. If so, say the word and I will keep my nosy nose out.

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

Jul 14, 2012 5:41:55 GMT -6 Sir C. M. Siervicül said:

Jul 14, 2012 2:23:15 GMT -6 Üc R. Tärfâ said:

My apologies in advance if this thread is for Fiorans only.

Bah! Certainly not.

And welcome back! Make sure to drop in now and then in the future.

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

I hereby withdraw Amendment #1.

Previous Amendment #2 becomes Amendment #1.