Brad Holmes
Cunstaval to Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Atatürkey, and flying by the seat of my RUMP
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Post by Brad Holmes on Oct 15, 2011 7:55:59 GMT -6
Per our Constitution, the House of Commons during the 43rd Ziu is structured as follows.
We had 14 total Provincial votes.
RUMP 7 votes. 7/14 = .50
PP Party 5 votes. 5/14 = .357 (which is a fun number if you like guns)
CSP 1 vote. 1/14 = .07
MRP 1 vote. 1/14 = .07
We have 20 seats.
RUMP: .5*20 = 10 seats.
PP Party: .357*20 = 7.14 seats. Rounded up to 8 seats.
CSP: .07*20 = 1.4 seats. Rounded down to 1 seat.
MRP: .07*20 = 1.4 seats. Rounded down to 1 seat.
Fellow RUMPers, let me know if you want to participate on the Provincial level.
Other party leaders, please figure out how you're assigning your seats.
Business will begin with nomination and election of the Başbakan once the 43rd Ziu is seated on their RUMPs.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Oct 15, 2011 15:23:23 GMT -6
The MRP would like to offer its one seat to Eoin Ursüm to serve his province as an independent, if he accepts.  |
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Glüc da Dhi
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Oct 17, 2011 13:50:45 GMT -6
Just a question, why is .14 rounded up and .4 rounded down?
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Brad Holmes
Cunstaval to Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Brad Holmes on Oct 17, 2011 14:23:24 GMT -6
Just a question, why is .14 rounded up and .4 rounded down? Because two 1.4s should mean 1 seat apiece. If the 7.14 was not rounded up, 1 seat would be empty. |
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Glüc da Dhi
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Oct 18, 2011 13:55:53 GMT -6
I can see why that is a practical solution, but it sounds a bit random to me. I dont know the constitution of Ataturk. Does it say anything about a situation like this?
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Brad Holmes
Cunstaval to Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Brad Holmes on Oct 18, 2011 19:51:44 GMT -6
I can see why that is a practical solution, but it sounds a bit random to me. I dont know the constitution of Ataturk. Does it say anything about a situation like this? ARTICLE II. THE HOUSE of COMMONS and THE BAşBAKANSection 1: Provincial lawmaking powers will be vested in the Atatürk House of Commons. The number of seats in the House of Common shall equal 10% of the number of seats in the Cosa. The allocation of the seats amongst political parties will correspond to the percentage of provincial votes each registered party received in the most recent General Election, rounded to the nearest whole number, to be assigned by party leaders, in accordance with Article VI of the Organic Law. Nope, it doesn't. I forgot to write in the common sense. But I welcome any legal challenge if anybody has a problem. |
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Doug Earnest
Talossan since 9-1-2011
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Post by Doug Earnest on Oct 18, 2011 21:12:05 GMT -6
I can't initiate a legal challenge since I lack any standing in the case, but if someone else does, I'll be following it with interest. I may even file an amicus curiae just for fun.
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Post by Martì Prevuost on Oct 19, 2011 6:17:29 GMT -6
I can't initiate a legal challenge since I lack any standing in the case, but if someone else does, I'll be following it with interest. I may even file an amicus curiae just for fun. I'm in the same boat - lacking standing to take action - and shouldn't even be posting here for that matter. Having said that - the law requires rounding to the nearest whole number. That's clear enough. It doesn't allow for rounding differently merely to prevent a seat from going vacant. But again - I'm just a tourist. MAG |
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Óïn Ursüm
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on Oct 19, 2011 12:46:53 GMT -6
The MRP would like to offer its one seat to Eoin Ursüm to serve his province as an independent, if he accepts. I am very grateful to the MRP for offering the seat, and I will happily accept.  |
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Brad Holmes
Cunstaval to Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Brad Holmes on Oct 19, 2011 13:01:37 GMT -6
But again - I'm just a tourist. MAG Please spend all of your money! Thank you! Come again! |
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Hooligan
Squirrel King of Arms; Cunstaval to Maricopa
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Post by Hooligan on Oct 19, 2011 17:17:14 GMT -6
ARTICLE II. THE HOUSE of COMMONS and THE BAşBAKANSection 1: Provincial lawmaking powers will be vested in the Atatürk House of Commons. The number of seats in the House of Common shall equal 10% of the number of seats in the Cosa. The allocation of the seats amongst political parties will correspond to the percentage of [provincial votes each registered party received in the most recent General Election,
rounded to the nearest whole number,] to be assigned by party leaders, in accordance with Article VI of the Organic Law. If you choose to parse the sentence like that, you can give 7.14 and 1.4 seats to the parties in question. From the peanut gallery, smiling, Hool |
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Brad Holmes
Cunstaval to Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Brad Holmes on Oct 20, 2011 12:19:11 GMT -6
ARTICLE II. THE HOUSE of COMMONS and THE BAşBAKANSection 1: Provincial lawmaking powers will be vested in the Atatürk House of Commons. The number of seats in the House of Common shall equal 10% of the number of seats in the Cosa. The allocation of the seats amongst political parties will correspond to the percentage of [provincial votes each registered party received in the most recent General Election,
rounded to the nearest whole number,] to be assigned by party leaders, in accordance with Article VI of the Organic Law. If you choose to parse the sentence like that, you can give 7.14 and 1.4 seats to the parties in question. From the peanut gallery, smiling, Hool And then we don't have the required 10% of the Cosa (19.94 instead of 20), so we're pinched there too. Frankly, I'm surprised at this whole discussion. The two tied parties are still tied. Article VIII, Section 2 of the OrgLaw details division of partial seats in the event of a tie using percentile dice. I don't even know what percentile dice are and I don't want to know. I was endeavoring to employ the KISS method in writing Atatürk's constitution. I guess I need to amend it somehow in order to cover this not-only-potential situation in the future. |
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Hooligan
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Post by Hooligan on Oct 20, 2011 13:09:51 GMT -6
I thought we got rid of the percentile dice stuff long ago! No? We should!
As Governor of Florencia, I have drafted a new constitution (to be promulgated next month, probably) for that — the greatest — province, which addresses this issue by making the Governor's division appealable to the Cunstaval who can decide to direct any different division. And if the Governor doesn't like it, he can appeal to the UC, but he still has to do what the Cunstaval says.
I will be posting the draft new constitution for Florencia soon (over there in the Florencia board, of course). As I say, I'm only in the peanut gallery here, smiling and chuckling. I think you did a fine job with the division, Brad. :-)
Hool
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Flip Molinar
Talossan since 1-1-2008
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Post by Flip Molinar on Oct 21, 2011 17:19:54 GMT -6
The Progressive Party of Talossa assigns its 8 seats to Meric Ozdak.
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Doug Earnest
Talossan since 9-1-2011
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Post by Doug Earnest on Oct 22, 2011 21:56:30 GMT -6
But again - I'm just a tourist. MAG Please spend all of your money! Thank you! Come again! Attachments:
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