New Flag for Mussolini?

[EM Vürinalt]

Over the past two weeks, S:reu Caçeir and I have been in communication over the creation of a new flag for our province.

I have created two, one of which is heavily Italian and the other is more Talossan.

I ask all citizens of Mussolini (and non-citizens alike) to vote on which flag design is better, and that is the one I will submit to the College of Arms to for approval.

I have just noticed that I had reversed the colors of the Talossan flag in the Italian based flag's coat of arms. I am working on correcting the error and should have the correct version up tommorow.

~Vürinalt~

The Talossan based flag:


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The Italian based flag:

[Flip Molinar]

I vote Talossan without the white in the middle.

[EM Vürinalt]

alexandreu said:

Just dropping in. I can't see either...what's up?

That's strange, I'll try PMing them to you.

The flags are showing up on my computer though.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

mbenzschawel said:

alexandreu said:

Just dropping in. I can't see either...what's up?

That's strange, I'll try PMing them to you.

The flags are showing up on my computer though.

Never mind, I can see them now.

(I like the first one, not that it matters)

[EM Vürinalt]

alexandreu said:

Never mind, I can see them now.
(I like the first one, not that it matters)

Well thanks for the input nonetheless!

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

To aid you guys, allow me to mention the principles by which the college of arms vexillologists will judge your new flag's acceptability:

THE FIVE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF FLAG DESIGN
1. The flag should be so simple that a child can draw it from memory . . .
2. The flag’s images, colors, or patterns should relate to what it symbolizes . . .
3. Limit the number of colors on the flag to three, which contrast well and come from the standard color set . . .
4. Never use writing of any kind or an organization’s seal . . .
5. Avoid duplicating other flags, but use similarities to show connections . . .

I hope this helps!

Alexander Davis
Senator from your friendly neighbor.

[EM Vürinalt]

agbdavis said:

To aid you guys, allow me to mention the principles by which the college of arms vexillologists will judge your new flag's acceptability:

THE FIVE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF FLAG DESIGN
1. The flag should be so simple that a child can draw it from memory . . .
2. The flag’s images, colors, or patterns should relate to what it symbolizes . . .
3. Limit the number of colors on the flag to three, which contrast well and come from the standard color set . . .
4. Never use writing of any kind or an organization’s seal . . .
5. Avoid duplicating other flags, but use similarities to show connections . . .

I hope this helps!

Alexander Davis
Senator from your friendly neighbor.

Ah, thank you kind S:reu.

I designed them with the intention of creating a state flag much like those of Germany, with the national flag and a state crest.

The Talossan based flag symbolizes monarchy (by the crown, which is optional on the flag), Talossa (hence the backround), and Italy (with the same shape as the Kingdom of Italy's arms but with the modern Italian flag on the inside.

There are four colors in it without the crown- red, green, white, and black.

Here's a full explination of the symbolism:
The kingdom of Talossa, with the government as it's ruler, ruling over the provinces, which create the base of Talossa, Mussolini being only a part of this. From the inside of the coat, go out, through the black (representing Mussolini's hardships and inactivity) and into the Talossan flag (representing strength of unity). Go up from the coat to the government which rules over the land and the province, go down and find nothing, representing the province's as the base of the nation.

Hope that helps.

Like I said, the crown is purely optional, but is a nice addition to the symbolism of the flag.

~Vürinalt~

[Breneir Itravilatx]

I really like the Talossan version of your proposal althought I think both are really beautiful. Also, would there be a way to simplify the design of the crown as that seems to be the most complex part of the flag designs?

[EM Vürinalt]

edieppe said:

I really like the Talossan version of your proposal althought I think both are really beautiful. Also, would there be a way to simplify the design of the crown as that seems to be the most complex part of the flag designs?

Yes, there would be a way of simplifying it but I think it may steal way from the majesty the Monarchy possesses.

The crown is ornate to represtent the deep history and depth of the Monarchy, and hope for the continued cultural richness of Talossa.

But yes, I think I could simplify it a bit, but I'd like to keep that up to the members of the College of Arms to decide after I submit the flag to them.

[Vit Caçeir]

I fully support the movement to change the Mussolini flag, and I strongly recommend changing it to the "Talossan" version of this flag. Although the crown is rather.... ornate, I believe it does a good job of representing Mussolini's unwavering support for the Talossan monarchy.

I'd also like to take this time to welcome S:reu Vürinalt to the Mussolini province, and applaud him for diving headfirst into provincial affairs. Our province needs more people like you ;D

[EM Vürinalt]

edwardwadas said:

I fully support the movement to change the Mussolini flag, and I strongly recommend changing it to the "Talossan" version of this flag. Although the crown is rather.... ornate, I believe it does a good job of representing Mussolini's unwavering support for the Talossan monarchy.

I'd also like to take this time to welcome S:reu Vürinalt to the Mussolini province, and applaud him for diving headfirst into provincial affairs. Our province needs more people like you ;D

If I could change the crown, what do you think it should be like? I mean, we could go all out and make it like the Burger King crown, or just delete some of the knots and such from that bottom band.

And thanks for the introduction, but I seemed to have already tarnished my reputation.

[Vit Caçeir]

A good replacement might be the crown seen at the top of the Wittenberg page, above the seal.

I wouldn't say your reputation is tarnished, mine seems to have taken a much bigger hit through my "Accidental Campaigning".

*Goes back to his reading of Ar Pats and the Organic/Statuary Laws*

[EM Vürinalt]

edwardwadas said:

A good replacement might be the crown seen at the top of the Wittenberg page, above the seal.

Yes you're right. I'm going to leave it up to the College of Arms after I submit the flag, I'm willing to change it, but I'd like to see what they think.

I'll submit it after the general election, and after the Corperative Chamber hopefully approves of the idea.

[Deleted]

Let me toss this out there...

We keep complaining about Mussolini being a fascist dictator AND the namesake of our Province. Should our flag really employ so many Italian elements then?

That is, let's play it as if we never change the name. We remain Mussolini for tradition's sake. Would incorporating a flag of clearly Italian influence really help us to distance ourselves from il Duce or to the new Talossan would we merely look like we wholeheartedly support him?

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

timoliv said:

Let me toss this out there...

We keep complaining about Mussolini being a fascist dictator AND the namesake of our Province. Should our flag really employ so many Italian elements then?

That is, let's play it as if we never change the name. We remain Mussolini for tradition's sake. Would incorporating a flag of clearly Italian influence really help us to distance ourselves from il Duce or to the new Talossan would we merely look like we wholeheartedly support him?

Benito Mussolini does not represent Italy, and not all Italians are Mussolini fans (to put it mildly). The province has had ties to Italy besides its name, including being the assigned residence of multiple Italian-Talossan citizens.