Vit Caçeir
"I hated being AG so much I fled as far from it as literally possible."
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Talossan Since: 11-19-2007
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Dec 19, 2007 15:46:48 GMT -6
Your welcome, Captain Kangaroo, but I am sure you are also aware that the LRT has similar goals as well and is just as capable of carrying them out. I am aware of one of those two facts You've stated that they're both facts.... meaning that you agree that the L.R.T. is capable, you just weren't aware of it. K001z0rz..... sorry ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Dec 19, 2007 20:13:30 GMT -6
I am aware of one of those two facts You've stated that they're both facts.... meaning that you agree that the L.R.T. is capable, you just weren't aware of it. K001z0rz..... sorry ;D ;D ;D That does not logically follow. An item of information is referred colloquially as a "fact", but that label does not confer on it any judgment of veracity or accuracy. Nor, in addition, would it follow that I agree with it, since the meaning of my words can be most directly construed to the contrary. I am logically 31337.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Dec 19, 2007 20:15:47 GMT -6
I love conversations from the Vulcan perspective.
[Star Trek snark]
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Vit Caçeir
"I hated being AG so much I fled as far from it as literally possible."
Posts: 810
Talossan Since: 11-19-2007
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Dec 19, 2007 20:24:38 GMT -6
That does not logically follow. An item of information is referred colloquially as a "fact", but that label does not confer on it any judgment of veracity or accuracy. Nor, in addition, would it follow that I agree with it, since the meaning of my words can be most directly construed to the contrary. I am logically 31337. I'm gonna pass on the Vulcan rhetoric. The only thing I know about Vulcans is that they believe that only Nixon can go to China, but I argue that Kim Jong Il, Vladimir Putin, and Alexandre Lukashenko have that uncanny ability as well. I'll stick with Socrates, thank you very much. How do you know that you are logically 31337. Is there a preset axiom that states what is and isn't 31337, and how can you verify that axiom's accuracy?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Dec 19, 2007 20:55:04 GMT -6
How do you know that you are logically 31337. Is there a preset axiom that states what is and isn't 31337, and how can you verify that axiom's accuracy? That is a nonsensical question. 31337ness is a value judgment based on my own perceptions, much along the lines of "beautiful". It is axiomatic only in the loosest sense of being based around a nonsolipsist viewpoint, that of both empiricism and enlightened self-interest as a central set of tenets for understanding the exterior world and leading me to a general understanding of the meaning of the "31337" symbol, derived from a basic understanding of the qualities to which the symbol tends to refer by common usage. My value judgments regarding my own measurements of these qualities are certainly subjective, and accordingly accuracy is impossible to establish with any degree of certainty any more than "beauty" can be axiomatically established.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Dec 19, 2007 21:17:40 GMT -6
What precisely is this 31337? Forgive me, I am not Vulcan.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Dec 19, 2007 21:24:19 GMT -6
It means "elite". It's part of 1337speak, a sort of dialect based upon substitution of ASCII characters to resemble the original. This dialect sprang out of the scriptkiddie/gamer subculture evident on the Internet starting around 1993, gaining greatest prominence around 1997 and now relegated to a large in-joke.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Dec 19, 2007 21:29:40 GMT -6
Thanks S:reu Davis. Very fascinating.
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Vit Caçeir
"I hated being AG so much I fled as far from it as literally possible."
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Talossan Since: 11-19-2007
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Dec 19, 2007 22:59:02 GMT -6
...It's part of 1337speak, a sort of dialect based upon substitution of ASCII characters to resemble the original. "Dialect" is a very.... generous description, but other than that, I agree.
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EM Vürinalt
Citizen since 12-20-2007
Parletz, am?c, en entrez
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Dec 20, 2007 15:30:33 GMT -6
Greetings, fellow Mussolinians! *Insert cricket chirping here* Alright, so... I've noticed that of all the provinces in this nation, Mussolini is the most.... dead! I mean, does anything go on in here? Honestly, when was the last time we had a Maestro election, and for that matter, do we even HAVE an active Maestro??? Mussolini seems to be a genuinely dead province, and I think it's right about time we fixed it up a bit! Thus, I've come up with a few suggestions to be discussed... 1. Change Mussolini's name, and actually like, do it this time.Unlike Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (who's "evil quotient" can be debated), no one is going to debate the fact that Benito Mussolini was a ruthless authoritarian dictator and essentially the father of contemporary European Fascism. Although I like the Italian undertones the Mussolini province is supposed to have (if it were ya know, active), but the name is undoubtedly unappealing to prospective and current citizens of this great nation. Many names (Lombardi, Trajan, Romulus, etc.) have been suggested and all would make excellent substitutes to the name, however, we never seem to get around to doing it. If we can actually agree on something, heck, I'll write the proposal to be sent to the Legislature if I have to, I just wanna see something done. 2. Maybe find our Maestro/ Cunstavál and see if she still plans to like... do stuff?If the forum records are accurate, Maestro/ Cunstavál De Winter has been inactive since 7 March 2007. That's a long time, and part of the reason I believe Mussolini has become so inactive. A province without a leader can hardly run itself, can it? Perhaps we should find a way to contact her and see if something's up, and if she plans on returning. If not, perhaps a shift in power is in order in this near-dead province. 3. Get around to holding a Corporative Chamber election, or at least get the darn thing up and running again?I don't believe I've ever seen the Corporative Chamber like... do anything. Maybe it should? 4. Change the flag?Let's face it, our flag is kinda... dull really. I've seen several suggestions to remake it, but just like everything else in here, nothing ever gets done. Anyone wanna take this into consideration with me? 5.Make a provincial website?Heck, I'll do this. A provincial website is something that would make any province more interesting, and interesting-ness is something this province needs right now. 6.Other trivalities?Provincial animals, nicknames, mottos, plants, foods, songs, etc. Other provinces have 'em. We don't. Anyone besides me interested in making this place kinda cool? Anyway, I hope I'm not crazy in thinking that something can be done to improve this province and make it a place of it's own. Anyone got any suggestions, comments, etc. to my radical and insane proposals? Oookeydoke getting back on track here. As I am good friends with S:reu Caçeir and a new citizen of Mussolini, I think that these ideas set down by him are great. I've been bored with finals and have made some new flag designs which I will post on the forums shortly under a new thread in the provincial board. I think that S:reu Caçeir has a good set of goals to cover, however, may I add that we maybe change the name of the Cooperative Chamber. Something more Italian maybe? I, personally, was thinking of these: Consiglio di Stato - Council of the State Consiglio di Mussolini - Council of Mussolini Lame, sure, but what's not to like about Italian?
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Vit Caçeir
"I hated being AG so much I fled as far from it as literally possible."
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Talossan Since: 11-19-2007
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Dec 20, 2007 21:17:50 GMT -6
I personally like the names Garibaldi and Lombardi as replacements for Mussolini. If any other Mussolinians agree, please state it here so we can maybe try and get some legislature passed together.
Additionally, I'm willing to take on the task of remaking the Mussolini website, seeing as it's horribly outdated. I plan on contacting Lord Hooligan tonight to see if I can go about doing so.
While I agree with S:reu Vürinalt's statement that the Corporative Chamber's name should be changed, I believe a higher priority should be placed on reviving the institution's existence before we go about renaming something. Renaming a nonexistent entity is kind of meaningless, in my opinion.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Dec 20, 2007 21:22:25 GMT -6
Might I suggest you all wait until the general elections are over?
Before yo ugo changing things around, mehtinks you might start with the basics- how many citizens you actually have in your province, their leanings, their ideas of Government, leaders of your province, etc.
I mean, heck- you guys rushing around trying to make all these changes willy nilly, and you don't even know if you have the majority of Votes in your Province.
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Vit Caçeir
"I hated being AG so much I fled as far from it as literally possible."
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Talossan Since: 11-19-2007
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Dec 20, 2007 21:28:26 GMT -6
While that is a good point, do you honestly think anyone would argue that Mussolini isn't a dead province? I think at least proposing to change things is a step forward from where we were beforehand. No active government, a webpage that's been outdated for years (it's certified by a Cunstaval who isn't even in power for now), and a name that's as evil as moldy cheese, these are certainly things that need a bit of updating, wouldn't you agree?
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Dec 20, 2007 21:32:53 GMT -6
I'm not disagreeing with THOSE points.
I'm disagreeing that you have a Mandate for change.
3 people from your province have voted so far.
Ya think ya might want to see if anyone else mosey's up to the Polls, to cast their vote?
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Vit Caçeir
"I hated being AG so much I fled as far from it as literally possible."
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Talossan Since: 11-19-2007
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Dec 20, 2007 21:39:41 GMT -6
I'm disagreeing that you have a Mandate for change. Ya think ya might want to see if anyone else mosey's up to the Polls, to cast their vote? We don't have a mandate, these are nothing more than proposals. I'm requesting that we update the Mussolini web page simply because it's been outdated for years, and if I understand correctly, I don't think there is a bureaucracy or anything to update the web page, at least enough to prove that we've existed over the past few years. Besides, they're simply proposals. It's unlikely we'd be unable to change anything by the time the elections end, and perhaps seeing that their province is at least DISCUSSING change might make more Mussolinians more willing to partake in its politics.
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