EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jan 6, 2008 12:01:43 GMT -6
Yes, we understand that. This is simply a place to debate about the proposed legislation that we'll be making in the CC this year.
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Vit Caçeir
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jan 6, 2008 13:55:56 GMT -6
And when did this become a State that had a United States Governor? I never said it did. I merely used a comparison to make a statement about how S:da Dewinter's "inactivity" (for lack of a better term) on the Mussolini board (where, even you must admit, many of the affairs of the province will likely take place) may be contributing to the problems the province currently faces. You still didn't answer my question though. Even if you think 304 days isn't a lot of time, do you think problems would arise if a Head of State remained "inactive" from the political affairs of the state? Try to start judging things around here by the Laws and rules around here. Since there is no law regarding how active a Cunstaval must be in the affairs of the province (nor do I think there should be, by the way), and I believe S:da Dewinter's absence from the provincial boards may be contributing to the problem, I am forced to *gasp* think beyond what is written*takes 20 bricks to the face*, and try and solve problems that have no written solution. Ya know Mick, you should really give an explanation when you edit things. I mean about 3/4 of that post wasn't there when I just looked at that ::flicks eyebrows:: EDIT: spelling I'd be rather interested to see what Capt. Preston's original post said. There. We know she's active in some way or another. One doesn't have to be active on Witt to be an active citizen. There, that's for all of you to chew on. If I recall, I don't think anyone argued that she was an inactive citizen. Perhaps an inactive governmental administrator, but not an inactive citizen. As a matter of fact, I don't even know how that argument came up...
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Jan 6, 2008 13:59:47 GMT -6
There. We know she's active in some way or another. One doesn't have to be active on Witt to be an active citizen. There, that's for all of you to chew on. If I recall, I don't think anyone argued that she was an inactive citizen. Perhaps an inactive governmental administrator, but not an inactive citizen. As a matter of fact, I don't even know how that argument came up... Oh...that would be when Sir Trotxa accused you of saying that S:da Dewinter was too dumb to access witt. But that's no big deal...I mean, it's not like he lied or anything...it just...didn't happen.
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Vit Caçeir
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jan 6, 2008 14:01:08 GMT -6
But in a *likely to be unsuccessful* attempt to redirect this thread back to what it was intended for, what will the criteria be for the C.C. in it's upcoming term? I think it wise that we actually do something about the name, as well as change the flag (both proposals which have been floated by many citizens for many months), as well as try to bring "seemingly absent" members of this province back to Talossa and increase immigration to the province, in order to combat what seems to be provincial apathy (I think apathy is like.... my new favorite word now . It'd be nice to see more than two or three other residents of Mussolini weigh their thoughts in on what should be covered by the C.C. in its upcoming term.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 6, 2008 14:14:32 GMT -6
"I'd be rather interested to see what Capt. Preston's original post said."
It has the original words in the statement. I just added a few more sentences to the post, to clarify what I was saying.
As for the rest of your statement- as I have said in other threads- I am all for the Citz of Mussolini changing the name, look, and demeanor of the Province. I'm not against the codifying of the Province's regulations. And if there isn't a rule or regulation, where there should be, I'll help as much as I can (as SoS).
My concerns in the whole matter - which I have also expressed in another thread- is the rush to action, without understanding what is already in place.
And the best thing is that in 9 days, y'all can start the changes.
(I suggest a new coat of paint, and you open the windows in the Provincial Capital building. Zooks, it's musty in there!)
Edit: Damn brackets
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jan 6, 2008 16:57:02 GMT -6
"I'd be rather interested to see what Capt. Preston's original post said." It has the original words in the statement. I just added a few more sentences to the post, to clarify what I was saying. As for the rest of your statement- as I have said in other threads- I am all for the Citz of Mussolini changing the name, look, and demeanor of the Province. I'm not against the codifying of the Province's regulations. And if there isn't a rule or regulation, where there should be, I'll help as much as I can (as SoS). My concerns in the whole matter - which I have also expressed in another thread- is the rush to action, without understanding what is already in place. And the best thing is that in 9 days, y'all can start the changes. (I suggest a new coat of paint, and you open the windows in the Provincial Capital building. Zooks, it's musty in there!) Edit: Damn bracketsI agree with Capt. here on most of this, but I don't think we are russing to action persay. In nine days, when we can start making changes I think these are the ones that must be addressed: -Name change -Flag change -Elect a new Maestro and contact S:da deWinter about the possibility of electing a new Cunstavál -Perhaps drafting a provincial constitution to codify all these procedures (electing governmental leaders, CC rules , etc.) -Getting the website up and running (perhaps a 'socialized' Provincial web guild??) Note, these are just suggestions for the upcoming term, nothing more. I urge the prospective members of the next Corperative Chamber to read these ~Vürinalt~
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jan 6, 2008 17:39:29 GMT -6
-Elect a new Maestro and contact S:da deWinter about the possibility of electing a new Cunstavál Note: Constables aren't elected. They're appointed by the King.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Jan 6, 2008 17:55:11 GMT -6
-Elect a new Maestro and contact S:da deWinter about the possibility of electing a new Cunstavál Note: Constables aren't elected. They're appointed by the King. and "suggested" by the Prime Minister
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Vit Caçeir
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jan 6, 2008 19:19:34 GMT -6
Thank you Capt. Preston for your kind words... I must apologize for my reactions earlier in this thread, I (for lack of a better term) lost my cool there. -Elect a new Maestro and contact S:da deWinter about the possibility of electing a new Cunstavál The Cunstaval (as stated earlier) is recommended by the Prime Minister and appointed by his Majesty. Also as a side note, I'm fairly certain the Arestada removed the accent mark from the word "Cunstaval". Do correct me if I'm wrong though. Although I agree S:da Dewinter should be contacted, I don't think she automatically should be removed from her position as Cunstaval... according to Sir Troxta she is an accomplished author and world traveler (a lifestyle I am rather envious of), and sounds like a good woman for the job. But, for one reason or another, she is unable to visit the Wittenberg, so perhaps we should discuss ways in which she could participate in governmental affairs without the use of the Wittenberg, or perhaps request her presence at the Wittenberg. I'd like to second the words of S:reu Vürinalt, and would like to see other prospective members of the upcoming C.C. session weigh their opinions in on these topics.
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Post by Hooligan on Jan 6, 2008 23:27:13 GMT -6
The nation is kindly reminded of statutory law 28RZ15. Hooligan (I have sat still long enough on this one)
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jan 7, 2008 7:13:43 GMT -6
Thank you Capt. Preston for your kind words... I must apologize for my reactions earlier in this thread, I (for lack of a better term) lost my cool there. -Elect a new Maestro and contact S:da deWinter about the possibility of electing a new Cunstavál The Cunstaval (as stated earlier) is recommended by the Prime Minister and appointed by his Majesty. Also as a side note, I'm fairly certain the Arestada removed the accent mark from the word "Cunstaval". Do correct me if I'm wrong though. Although I agree S:da Dewinter should be contacted, I don't think she automatically should be removed from her position as Cunstaval... according to Sir Troxta she is an accomplished author and world traveler (a lifestyle I am rather envious of), and sounds like a good woman for the job. But, for one reason or another, she is unable to visit the Wittenberg, so perhaps we should discuss ways in which she could participate in governmental affairs without the use of the Wittenberg, or perhaps request her presence at the Wittenberg. I'd like to second the words of S:reu Vürinalt, and would like to see other prospective members of the upcoming C.C. session weigh their opinions in on these topics. Sorry about the slip up there, I knew the thing about the Cunstaval. I think that S:da deWinter could remain Cunstaval for both a historical and honorary purpose because she is an author ( www.corrinedewinter.com/. So long as we could contact her perhaps once a week via email to have her carry out her Cunstaval-ial (;D) duties, we could easily make this work out. Considering this, I still believe that a new Maestro should be elected for the upcoming term. Now, all this codifying that we're doing and talking about should be set down in a provincial constitution. I know Florencia www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=Florencia has one. This would easily cause for increased provincial activity between active members of our province (and from various political parties as well) in the drafting of the first provincial constitution.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jan 7, 2008 13:38:44 GMT -6
The Cunstaval (as stated earlier) is recommended by the Prime Minister and appointed by his Majesty. Also as a side note, I'm fairly certain the Arestada removed the accent mark from the word "Cunstaval". Do correct me if I'm wrong though. You are correct about the stressmark on Cunstaval -- it's no longer needed. Also, once the Provincial Unshackling Amendment is effective, the OrgLaw will no longer state that cunstavais are appointed on recommendation of the Prime Minister. You might argue that that creates an opening for the provincial constitution to provide for someone else to recommend an appointee to the King.
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jan 7, 2008 15:42:35 GMT -6
You are correct about the stressmark on Cunstaval -- it's no longer needed. Also, once the Provincial Unshackling Amendment is effective, the OrgLaw will no longer state that cunstavais are appointed on recommendation of the Prime Minister. You might argue that that creates an opening for the provincial constitution to provide for someone else to recommend an appointee to the King. Okay, looks like we have a lot of codifying to do. Would it be a violation of Talossan checks and balances to make the apointment of Cunstaval completely in the King's power?
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jan 7, 2008 15:51:04 GMT -6
Would it be a violation of Talossan checks and balances to make the apointment of Cunstaval completely in the King's power? I don't think so. The Cunstaval is basically a personal representative of the King, and can only do what the King himself would do in the province if there were no Cunstaval. So I could see the King having absolute discretion to appoint whomever he will. The important question, I would say, is not what constraints there are on the King's choice of a Cunstaval, but what checks there are on the Cunstaval's power. For example, if the Seneschal advises the King to dissolve the Cosa, the King cannot refuse to do so. Similarly, it wouldn't matter so much who the King appoints as Cunstaval if the Cunstaval must dissolve the provincial legislature when the provincial premier advises him or her to do so.
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jan 7, 2008 16:09:21 GMT -6
Would it be a violation of Talossan checks and balances to make the apointment of Cunstaval completely in the King's power? I don't think so. The Cunstaval is basically a personal representative of the King, and can only do what the King himself would do in the province if there were no Cunstaval. So I could see the King having absolute discretion to appoint whomever he will. The important question, I would say, is not what constraints there are on the King's choice of a Cunstaval, but what checks there are on the Cunstaval's power. For example, if the Seneschal advises the King to dissolve the Cosa, the King cannot refuse to do so. Similarly, it wouldn't matter so much who the King appoints as Cunstaval if the Cunstaval must dissolve the provincial legislature when the provincial premier advises him or her to do so. So what we'd want to address in the provincial constitution (thats a shout out to all the members of the incoming Corperative Chamber) is not the appointment process so much as the checks on the Cunstaval's power. Since this is getting convoluted very fast, I wish to add some of the things I wish should be covered in this provincial constitution, in order to give incoming CC members time to think about it. -The Maestro ---Election of the Maestro and Term Length ---Oath of Office ---Powers of the Maestro ---Duties of the Maestro -The Cunstaval ---Appointment of the Cunstaval and Term Length ---Restrictions on the Cunstaval's power ---Duties of the Cunstaval ---Powers of the Cunstaval -The Corperative Chamber ---Oath of Office ---Duties of Provincial Representatives (members in the CC) ---Powers of Provincial Reps That's just a rough outline. I wish the constitution is thorough and a good example of what a provincial constitution should be. ~Vürinalt~
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