Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Sept 1, 2019 7:12:07 GMT -6
The September 2019 Clark is now here. www.talossa.ca/files/clark.php?cosa=53&clark=5Or here: www.talossa.ca/files/print_clark.php (this is the printer friendly version) In PDF Form (which was made from the print_clark.php page): www.talossa.ca/files/clarks/September2019Clark.pdfor can vote online here: www.talossa.ca/files/clark_vote.phpOr in this thread, until the 21st of the month, at 19h30 TST. Senators are allowed to create a single thread in the Senate chamber to post all of the Senate Votes that are not cast in this thread. Any votes not posted either using the form above, the current thread or the Senate thread might be ignored and void. Please do not vote by email or private messages. When you vote, do not indicate any conditions which may make it sound like this vote isn't final: you can always change your vote later. Please do not vote by email: We've had problems with email votes being caught in the spam filter. All Cosa Members and Senators will be emailed today. Glüc da Dhi Secretary of State
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Sept 5, 2019 14:42:41 GMT -6
RZ24: PER RZ25: PER RZ26: CONTRA
VoC: UC
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Sept 9, 2019 1:40:42 GMT -6
RZ24: PER RZ25: PER RZ26: PER
VOC: NON
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Sept 10, 2019 8:08:17 GMT -6
RZ24- Per RZ25- Per RZ26- Contra
VOC: Uc
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King John
King of Talossa
Posts: 2,415
Talossan Since: 5-7-2005
Knight Since: 11-30-2005
Motto: COR UNUM
King Since: 3-14-2007
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Post by King John on Sept 12, 2019 11:35:00 GMT -6
Not wanting to surprise anyone with a veto, I comment here on an arguably inOrganic clause in the Efficient Justice Bill. (And yes, I did mention this in the Hopper, and no, it didn't get fixed in the Clarked version of the Bill.)
The Bill says "All justices of the Cort pü Inalt shall fulfil at least the same qualifications as to legal knowledge as a Justice of the Peace." So suppose someone who DOESN'T have such qualifications nevertheless is approved for the Cort by 2/3 of the Cosa and a majority of the Senate. The Efficient Justice Bill seems to say that the candidate can't be a justice; but the Organic Law says he can and is, since he got approved by the Ziu.
This could easily be fixed, the simplest way being to just delete the clause from the Bill. After all, if someone nominates a Justice, and 2/3 of the Cosa and a majority of the Senate approves, that would indicate a pretty strong consensus that in fact the nominee DOES have the necessary qualifications. But if we really need to say something here, simply say that it is the sense of the Ziu that no MZ should nominate anyone who doesnt' have the qualifications established for Justices of the Peace, and leave it at that.
If this passes, I think the best thing would be for me to veto it, and have it reintroduced in the next Clark without the inOrganic language.
— John R
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Sept 12, 2019 16:34:59 GMT -6
Thank you kindly, sir, for this intervention. This is precisely how I hoped your use of the veto power would be used.
As to the phrase in question, as I responded at the time: "The alternative would be to accept a situation where JPs have to prove more legal knowledge than the highest Court in the land, which seems ridiculous." No-one had any further comment after that so I let it slide.
If you insist you have to veto, then so be it. I would like a sense of the Ziu as to whether we would want to bow to the King's wishes and remove that clause; or whether we have a 2/3 majority willing to insist upon it. I prefer the latter but won't die in a ditch.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Sept 13, 2019 5:59:36 GMT -6
RZ24: PER RZ25: PER RZ26: CONTRA Please keep in mind that your vote will not count without a VOC.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Sept 15, 2019 12:13:46 GMT -6
RZ24: PER RZ25: PER RZ26: CONTRA Please keep in mind that your vote will not count without a VOC. Corrected, thank you!
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Post by Þon Txoteu É. Davinescu on Sept 18, 2019 7:06:32 GMT -6
RZ24: PER RZ25: PER RZ26: PER
VOC: Uc
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Jordan Placie
Citizen of Talossa
Posts: 95
Talossan Since: 6-17-2016
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Post by Jordan Placie on Sept 19, 2019 6:45:00 GMT -6
RZ24: PER RZ25: PER RZ26: PER
VoC: UC
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Olaf
Citizen since 8-9-2005
A Bruce Lee of Loosely Abused Ink
Posts: 303
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Post by Olaf on Sept 20, 2019 15:45:17 GMT -6
Present
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Sept 21, 2019 3:09:34 GMT -6
Was this intended as a vote on the September 2019 Fiôvâ-Florencia provincial merger referendum (link}?
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