[Chancery] August 2019 Referendum rules.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Jul 26, 2019 16:28:43 GMT -6 Viteu Marcianüs said:

Feel better, Ian? Although I agree with all other parts of your post, the King's actions, here and elsewhere, continuously point to a single conclusion-he thinks he's above the law.

But alright, I have no issue with you using me as a punching bag so you can make your point against the King.

I'm not using you as a punching bag. We have two different views of what the problem is, and I was pointing that out.

You don't have to think the King is a tyrant to still be disappointed in the quality of his reign.

[Viteu Marcianüs]

Cool story, bro.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Jul 26, 2019 17:34:53 GMT -6 Viteu Marcianüs said:

Cool story, bro.

Are you suggesting I was just looking for an opportunity to disparage you?

[Iac Marscheir]

Schi hi estadra 'n türont sür el þroneu, força non estadrás permitat à zirarh dals cosas come "VOI. NON. ESTETZ. SUPER. EL. LEGEU."

(If there was a tyrant on the throne, you probably wouldn't be allowed to say things like "YOU. ARE. NOT. ABOVE. THE. LAW.")

[Viteu Marcianüs]

Pardon me while I guffaw at the apologism preceding this comment. 

(if there were*)

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Viteu Marcianüs, you are violating the Cabinet Code of Conduct by taking unnecessary offense to a member of the public who is more or less agreeing with the Government's position, although quibbling with your specific take on it. Please quit it.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Jul 26, 2019 18:30:48 GMT -6 Iac Marscheir said:

Schi hi estadra 'n türont sür el þroneu, força non estadrás permitat à zirarh dals cosas come "VOI. NON. ESTETZ. SUPER. EL. LEGEU."

Not true. You could say whatever you liked against King Robert I - it's just he would hold a grudge, take nasty revenge on you later, at his leisure, and improperly use his status in Talossa to get away with it. And he is generally considered a tyrant.

[Iac Marscheir]

D'acurd, schi hi estadra 'n türont sür el þroneu, força non estadrás permitat à zirarh *sanc 'n cunsequençù* dals cosas come "VOI. NON. ESTETZ. SUPER. EL. LEGEU."

(Ok, if there was a tyrant on the throne, you probably wouldn't be allowed to say things like "YOU. ARE. NOT. ABOVE. THE. LAW." *without consequence*.)

[Viteu Marcianüs]

If there were*

See subjunctive.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Jul 26, 2019 19:02:39 GMT -6 Viteu Marcianüs said:

If there were*

See subjunctive.

The Talossan language doesn't have a subjunctive mood, and that's parenthetically one of my biggest frustrations with using it (as someone whose second language is French and is used to the use of that mood).

[Viteu Marcianüs]

Jul 26, 2019 18:51:23 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Viteu Marcianüs , you are violating the Cabinet Code of Conduct by taking unnecessary offense to a member of the public who is more or less agreeing with the Government's position, although quibbling with your specific take on it. Please quit it.

That's an extreme interpretation, and one that will certainly see my resignation.

I can call someone out for using me as a punching bag, and transparently doing so by deciding to quote me three different times to "agree to disagree" (when called out on it of course). I've not insulted anyone or used profane language. I've not broken the code. If you think I have, then we're done here (see above) because that's too far.

[Iac Marscheir]

Jul 26, 2019 19:04:17 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Jul 26, 2019 19:02:39 GMT -6 Viteu Marcianüs said:

If there were*

See subjunctive.

The Talossan language doesn't have a subjunctive mood, and that's parenthetically one of my biggest frustrations with using it (as someone whose second language is French and is used to the use of that mood).

"Estadrás" isn't a subjunctive mood verb?

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Jul 26, 2019 19:09:59 GMT -6 Iac Marscheir said:

"Estadrás" isn't a subjunctive mood verb?

Conditional tense of the indicative mood. The difference would be between French je serais and je sois.

[Iac Marscheir]

I've been using the -adr- form as a marker that turns entire sentences non-indicative thoughts.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Jul 25, 2019 21:30:16 GMT -6 Viteu Marcianüs said:

King John Completely inappropriate. You filed a petition. The Attorney General defends the Chancery and the Government. The Cort has yet to intervene. The Chancery need only draw its attention when required. And the mere allegations that Florencia has not approved the Constitution is insufficient. The Chancery needn't stop the referendum until such time as the Cort tells it to. You don't get to assert your interpretation as binding. 

You. Are. Not. The. Law. 
You. Are. Not. Above. The. Law. 

Jul 26, 2019 9:55:05 GMT -6 Viteu Marcianüs said:

John - you replied to the Chancery to draw *its* attention to the petition. Something you already did here.  You did not need to post a direct response to the Chancery. Your response, immediately under, and in reply to, the initial and only post from the Chancery, to "draw your attention to my Petition . . . pending Florencia's actually approving the proposed Constitution" (emphasis supplied) suggests that you were directing the Chancery to preemptively take action based merely on your allegation that Florenica has not approved the proposed constitution.  You were not merely, as you now assert, commenting "so that anyone interested would see that there's something germane going on in other threads." If that were the case, you would not have sought to draw the Chancery's attention, but commented, "For those interested, please note that I have requested that the Cort enjoin the referendum based on my petition."

Instead, you included your allegation, asserting such as true and binding, to ostensibly get the Chancery to act without a mandate from the Government or the Cort. That's palpably improper. 

Notwithstanding your claims to the contrary, this again bears repeating: 

Don't be ridiculous. If anything, if there are any problems, like the criteria for a referendum potentially not having been met or a pending court case that might stop the referendum from happening the chancery, which is working hard to organise this referendum should be informed.

For what it's worth I did not in any way interpret His Majesty's comments as an order. However, like any citizen, if there are legal problems that might be a reason for the chancery to decide or be forced not to conduct the referendum he is free to point this out and the feedback is appreciated.

Moreover, the chancery is/was fully unaware of being represented in Court by the AG and is surprised that this was not discussed.