WITHDRAWN - The Vote on Ben's Coming Back Act

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

WHEREAS Robert Ben Madison is the Founder of Talossa,

WHEREAS he orchestrated in spring 2004 an attempt to have a fellow Talossan citizen, K. G., thrown out of Talossa over fabricated and false charges of domestic abuse,

WHEREAS on 1 June 2004 the Republic of Talossa was founded as a Talossan alternative to Ben's kingdom, directly provoked by this vendetta against Kane Gruber,

WHEREAS through his own mishandling of the situation, Ben from 1 June 2004 through August 2005 caused his vindictiveness to be fully exposed to all and to the point he no longer had any allies in the Kingdom,

WHEREAS on 15 August 2005, Robert Ben Madison, King of Talossa, abdicated the Throne and renounced his citizenship,

WHEREAS the world rejoiced,

WHEREAS Ben through a proxy pocket-citizen tried soon thereafter and unsuccessfully to sue to have the immigrations of twenty new Talossan citizens vacated,

WHEREAS the Kingdom of Talossa and the Republic of Talossa both finally knew of the full capability of Robert Ben Madison of not only creative genius, but also of his pettiness,

WHEREAS until 11 June 2019, Ben was afterward silent to Talossa while Reunision happened along with four-hundred new citizens who never knew a Talossa with him as a part of it,

WHEREAS on 11 June 2019, Robert Ben Madison began the process of application for readmission as a citizen of Talossa,

WHEREAS he says he will play nice as a private citizen with no ambition of power or position save that of leadership in the development of the Talossan language,

WHEREAS he has not publicly repented of his vendetta against Kane Gruber along with many other missteps,

WHEREAS Lexhatx E.8 states: "t any time before a Grant of Citizenship is conferred, the Sovereign, or members representing at least one-third of the Cosâ by seats, or members representing at least one-third of the Senäts, or any single Justice of the Uppermost Cort may petition the Chancery that the said Grant of Citizenship shall not be issued until such issuance shall be ordered by an act of the Ziu. The Secretary of State shall be required to grant all such petitions, and shall withhold any issuance of a Royal Grant of Citizenship to the prospective immigrant who is the subject of such a petition until such time as an act of the Ziu directing the issuance of such a grant becomes law."

The Ziu, THEREFORE, by the passage of this bill effects such a petition pursuant to the above with the following caveats:

Additionally, the Ziu adds a new section to El Lexhatx thusly:

E.15: The approval by the relevant authority of the June 2019 reapplication for Talossan citizenship of Robert Ben Madison, the Founder of the Kingdom of Talossa shall become effective upon the following:

E.15.1: A vote in the affirmative of two-thirds of the Cosâ and a majority of the Senäts plus Royal Assent per constitutional law to be held at least one year (and not more than eighteen months) after the passage into law of the original bill that instituted this section of El Lexhatx, but only after an affirmative vote after one year has passed since the passage of this bill in the affirmative from five of the seven persons comprising the Uppermost Cort, the Seneschál, and the Monarch of Robert Ben Madison's having done the following:

E.15.2.1: engaged positively in the cultural and social life of Talossa over the intervening period

E.15.2.2: he demonstrates reformation of character and awareness of how his behaviour in the years 1997-2005 was antisocial and personally hurtful to current and former Talossans, as well as detrimental to the health of Talossan society and democracy. Specifically included shall be his vendetta against K. G. from spring 2004 as well as any offenses committed against anyone else that could have had and/or did have real-life consequences for ones so offended.

E.15.2.3: The patriation of the totality of the National Archives to an individual other than Kane Gruber for digitization and other means of preservation with their being returned to Robert Ben Madison when said preservation efforts are completed. The Uppermost Cort along with the Monarch, the Royal Archivist, the Seneschál, and anyone else the Royal Archivist may select, shall adjudicate this step to have been completed.

E.15.2.4: The release of all copyright, trademark, and other encumberances on all Talossan intellectual property in such a way full credit shall continue to be given to all authors, composers, etc. and in such a way all Talossan materials may be freely distributed without fear of legal reprisals. Such a release shall be in perpetuity.

[Iac Marscheir]

'N adofedour se autlöqeux: non créu qe ingen perziun singul put estarh 'n duceu da svilup del glheþ naziunal. Ben non en tent ocsà uçat daditsch.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

We are certainly not going to add this stuff into the law. If you wish to get a petition going to block his immigration because you really fear that he has a 10 or 15-year plan to seize control, then that is your right. But we're not going to have a special section of our national legal code devoted to the conditions you wish to impose. I'd suggest putting your conditions in the Whereases.

[Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H.]

You are using a personal name of a citizen or former citizen who has a Talossa name.

STOP IT

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Jun 14, 2019 6:17:04 GMT -6 Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. said:

You are using a personal name of a citizen or former citizen who has a Talossa name.

STOP IT

Sorry about that. I think I've changed the offending text now.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

The petition that RBM's citizenship not be restored except by act of Ziu has been submitted by the necessary 1/3 of Cosa seats, so that is no longer necessary.

I think this bill is a good starting point, but - as much of what the Senator from Fiova writes - is prolix and hasty. The essential part for me is that there should be a probational period of several months where RBM engages with Talossa socially and culturally to prove that he has truly changed his ways before his political rights are restored. Six months would seem a good period for me, but that would extend over the next election and make it an issue for partisan competition, which is less than ideal.

Also, I would not want the question of "has Ben really reformed his behaviour?" to be a political one at all, but a judicial one. Ideally I would like a provision whereby he would be entitled to request citizenship be granted after a certain date, unless the CpI grants an injunction brought by the Government requesting an extension of that period on the grounds of evidence of lack (or lack of evidence) of behaviour reform.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Jun 14, 2019 14:49:41 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

The petition that RBM's citizenship not be restored except by act of Ziu has been submitted by the necessary 1/3 of Cosa seats, so that is no longer necessary.

I think this bill is a good starting point, but - as much of what the Senator from Fiova writes - is prolix and hasty. The essential part for me is that there should be a probational period of several months where RBM engages with Talossa socially and culturally to prove that he has truly changed his ways before his political rights are restored. Six months would seem a good period for me, but that would extend over the next election and make it an issue for partisan competition, which is less than ideal.

Also, I would not want the question of "has Ben really reformed his behaviour?" to be a political one at all, but a judicial one. Ideally I would like a provision whereby he would be entitled to request citizenship be granted after a certain date, unless the CpI grants an injunction brought by the Government requesting an extension of that period on the grounds of evidence of lack (or lack of evidence) of behaviour reform.

I don’t see a need for such a complicated process; the Ziu can simply wait until it is ready, if it ever becomes so. We could pass a Sense of the Ziu now indicating when we plan to consider the matter, though

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Even though it seems that RBM has "flounced" (withdrawn his citizenship restoration application), he hasn't actually said that in words, so we should continue to discuss this bill (or something like it).