[Chancery] national election results (Cosa)

[Glüc da Dhi]

The preliminary certified results of the 53rd Cosa election (April 2019) are as follows:

Turnout: 104 (60.1%)

Votes:
Free Democrats of Talossa (FREEDEMS) - 42 votes
The Radical Unity Measurses Party (RUMP) - 23 votes
Awakening and Magnifying Passion (AMP) - 19 votes
Moderate Radicals Arise! (MODRADS) - 11 votes

PRESENT/Invalid - 9 votes

This would result in the following division of seats:
FREEDEMS - 89
RUMP - 48
AMP - 40
MODRADS - 23

(Note there might be a tie between FREEDEMS and RUMP for the 200th seat according to traditional calculation methods. My interpretation is that in such cases Org.VIII.2 favours the largest party, in this case the FREEDEMS.)

These results are preliminary and may be subject to change.
These results have been certified by the Electoral Commission.
Edit: note that the division of seats may also change after certification if not all parties pay their fee before the first clark.
All parties have paid their party fee.

[Glüc da Dhi]

The results as listed on the database can be found here: www.talossa.ca/files/election_result.php

These results are preliminary and may be subject to change.
These results have been certified by the Electoral Commission.
Senate calculations will be posted on the appropriate provincial boards.
The Chancery will not interpret provincial assembly results. Raw preliminary data can be found using the same link.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Apr 1, 2019 19:47:20 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

I will post full preliminary results on witt for senate and cosa later. In the meantime here is a link to the results on the database: www.talossa.ca/files/election_result.php

Well. That's what I call decisive.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

The only thing we can be sure of, before negotiations to form a government begin, are that:

1) this is the lowest turnout in any election since Reunision. Seems that Sir Alexandreu was right to talk about a crisis of activity, and this will have to be addressed.
2) Free Democrats gained 6 votes, RUMP lost 12, the two successor parties to the old MRPT lost 10 between them, and 6 "other" votes vanished. So what could have been a mild FreeDem gain was outweighed by (at a guess) the absence of the previously legendary RUMP GOTV effort (aka "loyalty parade") and a large proportion of old ModRad voters just not bothering after their party self-destructed.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Post has been updated with the results

[Eðo Grischun]

tycho said:

My interpretation is that in such cases Org.VIII.2 favours the largest party, in this case the FREEDEMS.

I would agree. A single seat being mathematically divided goes to the "winner" of the election, while a dice roll determines things in the event of a tied vote.

[Lüc da Schir]

In case anyone liked the Ziu models from yesterday's stream:

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Apr 2, 2019 0:47:49 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

The only thing we can be sure of, before negotiations to form a government begin, are that:

1) this is the lowest turnout in any election since Reunision. Seems that Sir Alexandreu was right to talk about a crisis of activity, and this will have to be addressed.
2) Free Democrats gained 6 votes, RUMP lost 12, the two successor parties to the old MRPT lost 10 between them, and 6 "other" votes vanished. So what could have been a mild FreeDem gain was outweighed by (at a guess) the absence of the previously legendary RUMP GOTV effort (aka "loyalty parade") and a large proportion of old ModRad voters just not bothering after their party self-destructed.

I didn't do much GOTV, but a dozen people I emailed told me that they were no longer interested in Talossa, since it was too unpleasant. They put it in various ways, often much more specifically, but the upshot was that it wasn't a place that held any fun for them. You yourself have posted about how Talossa isn't fun for you. That is the most serious problem facing the country... by an order of magnitude. It can and will get even worse and accelerate, unless we make changes to address the issue. Big nasty fights are one part of it, and they will dominate even more as mundane discussions get dry up, making them seem even worse. Whenever possible, let us be gracious with each other and focus on interesting and fun things. For example, let's make a concerted effort not to include any little side digs. I would prefer you not refer to longstanding RUMP voters with the derogatory "loyalty parade," for example, if you don't mind? You might not realize it has a pretty sharp negative connotation, but it does.

I have been trying my best, despite my worser angels, to abide by the "Victorian Sufi Buddha Lite" policy"

Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates; At the first gate, ask yourself, is is true? At the second gate ask, is it necessary? At the third gate ask, is it kind?

If I slip up, please tell me.

I hope that everyone, no matter who winds up in charge, acts to arrest this trend. It is an existential threat to Talossa. Making the country fun for people should be the top priority of every responsible Talossan.

[Eðo Grischun]

I agree with everything AD says, with one exception. Civility and politics make strange bedfellows at times and I fear that by banning everything that someone finds derogatory is going to lead to the "fun" diminishing even more. I don't wish for Talossa to be a nasty environment, and outright attacks on one's character should not take place, but using phrases like 'loyalty parade', to me, at least, is just politics.

Often what we find offensive is subjective. I don't have a problem with hard or dirty politics, or 'rough music' as it's been described in the past, if some want to do it that way. Finding the line in the sand is very difficult when we deal with the subjective. One persons' red-line on civility is going to be different to another.

I do think we should establish what level we want to limit things at, but I feel we must tread carefully in doing so. We don't want to fall foul of the Covenant of Rights and Freedoms and we don't want the place to become overly boring.

There will be things we can definitely all agree on, such as slurs of a disgusting nature, but there will always be things that you may find offensive that I won't while there's also things that I find offensive that you won't.

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

While I definitely am one of the people who think that tone is often just as important as content in written communication, and one of those often put off by unwarranted aggression, I must say that I have found the balance between boring politeness and offensive aggression extremely difficult to strike. If there is no tension, everything gets boring and people drift away. The Kingdom was heading that way before Reunision. If there are rows and fighting and people behaving like jerks, people leave because of that.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Fair points, both of you! I withdraw my request.

[Danihél Roðgarüt]

I like the graphic.


The biggest problem is that while there a lot of us who have a great deal of affection for the RT (I did even through my long, self-imposed exile), there are very few for whom it matters a great deal. Much as he made life very difficult, having a certain person involved who was utterly passionate about the place, inspired a degree of passion in others, even if it was just to oppose him.


It just doesn't have that any more.


DR

[Viteu Marcianüs]

Apr 2, 2019 7:04:52 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

Apr 2, 2019 0:47:49 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

The only thing we can be sure of, before negotiations to form a government begin, are that:

1) this is the lowest turnout in any election since Reunision. Seems that Sir Alexandreu was right to talk about a crisis of activity, and this will have to be addressed.
2) Free Democrats gained 6 votes, RUMP lost 12, the two successor parties to the old MRPT lost 10 between them, and 6 "other" votes vanished. So what could have been a mild FreeDem gain was outweighed by (at a guess) the absence of the previously legendary RUMP GOTV effort (aka "loyalty parade") and a large proportion of old ModRad voters just not bothering after their party self-destructed.

I didn't do much GOTV, but a dozen people I emailed told me that they were no longer interested in Talossa, since it was too unpleasant. They put it in various ways, often much more specifically, but the upshot was that it wasn't a place that held any fun for them. You yourself have posted about how Talossa isn't fun for you. That is the most serious problem facing the country... by an order of magnitude. It can and will get even worse and accelerate, unless we make changes to address the issue. Big nasty fights are one part of it, and they will dominate even more as mundane discussions get dry up, making them seem even worse. Whenever possible, let us be gracious with each other and focus on interesting and fun things. For example, let's make a concerted effort not to include any little side digs. I would prefer you not refer to longstanding RUMP voters with the derogatory "loyalty parade," for example, if you don't mind? You might not realize it has a pretty sharp negative connotation, but it does.

I have been trying my best, despite my worser angels, to abide by the "Victorian Sufi Buddha Lite" policy"

Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates; At the first gate, ask yourself, is is true? At the second gate ask, is it necessary? At the third gate ask, is it kind?

If I slip up, please tell me.

I hope that everyone, no matter who winds up in charge, acts to arrest this trend. It is an existential threat to Talossa. Making the country fun for people should be the top priority of every responsible Talossan.

Request denied.  

You're so focused on the end result that you ignore or intentionally hide the means. You refuse to cede an iota of ground that it is your very actions that arrived us here. Until you can own, in a substantive way, your contribution, I shall stay course. 

Talossans must look beyond AD's red herrings. They need to figure out why some people respond the way they do; they need to look at the substance. 

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Apr 2, 2019 10:49:12 GMT -6 Viteu Marcianüs said:

Talossans must look beyond AD's red herrings. They need to figure out why some people respond the way they do; they need to look at the substance. 

I do note that no-one I spoke to in campaigning reported "unpleasantness" as a reason not to vote, or not to vote FreeDem, and our own vote increased. Now, if AD's report is accurate, there are two options: 1) former RUMP voters are sensitive souls who just tolerate "unpleasantness" less than others; 2) "unpleasantness" is a code-word for "the RUMP being politically defeated".

But then I will also point out that King Robert I was also quite fond of saying "I talked to [person who's not here] and they completely agree with me" when the reality was that the person concerned was saying whatever was necessary to get KR1 to quit bothering them. So there's a third option.

[King John]

I haven't heard anyone say "I'm not going to vote, because Talossa has become unpleasant." I've heard quite a few say, in various ways, that they just aren't interested in Talossa any more, and attributed their uninterest to (what they perceive as) a generally unpleasant atmosphere. It's not fun, there's no joy, it's a total drag, why would I want to participate in *that*, I don't want my kids exposed to that kind of thing, and so on.

These folks aren't necessarily "sensitive souls", but rather people who enjoy friendship, bantering, and a range of happy personal interactions that (they say) used to be possible and even easy here, and have become difficult and maybe impossible. I don't think it has much to do with any party's electoral success or lack of it. I think it has a lot to do with the tone we use with each other.

— John R