Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Dec 3, 2018 8:43:30 GMT -6
Chapter III, Article 3, Section 4 (Removal from the Cosa), Part 1 to 4 be struck in full and replaced by the following:
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Dec 3, 2018 8:49:42 GMT -6
- Repugnant conduct can be modified anytime, but with a greater majority
- "Expulsion" is replaced with "Under investigation" for greater clarity; isn't expulsion equal to removal? Why "expulsion" if the charged member can still apparently vote? Most importantly, why "expel" a member that hasn't even been tried by a majority of his peers?
- Procedure for opening investigation changed, it previously required 1/4 + Seneschal or 2/5 + no Seneschal, and is now a simple majority; why was the Seneschal mentioned when no Seneschal has even sat in the Cosa for almost two years now?
- Part 4 stays as it was (it referred to Part 2)
I should have highlighted all the key differences in the text.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Dec 4, 2018 17:07:07 GMT -6
I think the stipulation that repugnant behavior can only be changed in the first Clark is too make sure we don't have any ex post facto changes.
I would also keep the threshold to place a member under investigation at 2/5 (but getting rid of the 1/4 + Seneschal makes sense)
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Dec 4, 2018 18:17:30 GMT -6
Why not just prohibit ex post facto changes?
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Dec 5, 2018 2:34:27 GMT -6
Added ex post facto prohibition in Part 2; I welcome any rephrasing anyone might suggest as I struggled to get an elegant sentence together. Returned investigation threshold at 2/5th.
Also "consent of 2/5th of the Cosa" is now "petition signed by 2/5th of the Cosa", mostly because I felt that "consent" was the wrong word for an action by effectively a minority of a body, while I think "petition" is more appropriate as a procedural tool (eg. discharge petitions).
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Dec 9, 2018 11:19:50 GMT -6
I'd like to adapt this and put it in the amendment I'm writing, since I think a lot of this would improve the current process. Is that ok?
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Dec 9, 2018 11:51:27 GMT -6
You're welcome to do so, with the understanding that I will not abandon this standalone version if I don't like whatever else is in your amendment.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Dec 9, 2018 12:02:52 GMT -6
You probably shouldn't abandon this standalone version no matter what, since it amends the FDT/MRPT constitution. My amendment is to the Organic Law, instead. I think there's a lot of good ideas that can come out of this convention process, even if it's deeply problematic as a whole. I'm snapping up these good ideas as I see them so that they can be proposed in a more practical venue, even if nothing actually comes out of this thing. As I said before we started this, this is the third time this approach has been tried, and it didn't work the previous two times.
So thanks! I think we can get this fix done, no matter what happens with this constitution.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Dec 9, 2018 15:19:42 GMT -6
(Nevermind, I thought you were writing an amendment to the draft, because I forgot about the mega amendment thread and hadn't read the new posts yet.)
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