Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Oct 1, 2018 6:17:41 GMT -6
The October 2018 Clark is now here. www.talossa.ca/files/clark.php?cosa=52&clark=3 Or here: www.talossa.ca/files/print_clark.php (this is the printer friendly version) In PDF Form (which was made from the print_clark.php page): www.talossa.ca/files/clarks/October2018Clark.pdfor can vote online here: www.talossa.ca/files/clark_vote.phpOr in this thread, until the 21st of the month, at 19h30 TST. Senators are allowed to create a single thread in the Senate chamber to post all of the Senate Votes that are not cast in this thread. Any votes not posted either using the form above, the current thread or the Senate thread might be ignored and void. Please do not vote by email or private messages. When you vote, do not indicate any conditions which may make it sound like this vote isn't final: you can always change your vote later. Please do not vote by email: We've had problems with email votes being caught in the spam filter. All nominated Cosa Members and Senators will be emailed today. 
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Oct 6, 2018 9:48:21 GMT -6
RZ7 - Për
RZ8 - Për
VoC - Uc
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Oct 8, 2018 11:41:43 GMT -6
RZ7 - AUSTANÉU
RZ8 - PER
VoC - ÜC
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Oct 8, 2018 12:22:29 GMT -6
On 52RZ7, I vote Për. I strongly believe in a province's exclusive right to determine their own cultural dicta, and unfortunately 52PD1 just goes too far to hold up to Organic scrutiny. While I'm disappointed the inOrganic PD could not be immediately reviewed by this Ziu, I was glad to see the Atatürk House of Commons recently exercise their right to determine the symbols of their culture, which only came as a result of the discussion surrounding this bill's introduction.
On 52RZ8, I also vote Për. I'm certain the individual being nominated meets the qualifications to serve in this important position, which was made even more vital to the functioning of our Kingdom following the passage of 52RZ4 in the last Clark. That said, I also understand that S:reu Molinar was going to be a member of this house representing his party (the MRPT), but ultimately withdrew from consideration because of the confusing legislative nightmare that is the Mandatory Cosa Lists Act. As it seems the first true test case of this legislation proved to be an unfortunate failure--both for S:reu Molinar and his party, but also for those who voted MRPT in the last election--perhaps its time we reconsider the need for these mandatory lists in the near future.
VoC: ÜC
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Oct 13, 2018 13:53:53 GMT -6
On 52RZ7, I vote Për. I strongly believe in a province's exclusive right to determine their own cultural dicta, and unfortunately 52PD1 just goes too far to hold up to Organic scrutiny. While I'm disappointed the inOrganic PD could not be immediately reviewed by this Ziu, I was glad to see the Atatürk House of Commons recently exercise their right to determine the symbols of their culture, which only came as a result of the discussion surrounding this bill's introduction. On 52RZ8, I also vote Për. I'm certain the individual being nominated meets the qualifications to serve in this important position, which was made even more vital to the functioning of our Kingdom following the passage of 52RZ4 in the last Clark. That said, I also understand that S:reu Molinar was going to be a member of this house representing his party (the MRPT), but ultimately withdrew from consideration because of the confusing legislative nightmare that is the Mandatory Cosa Lists Act. As it seems the first true test case of this legislation proved to be an unfortunate failure--both for S:reu Molinar and his party, but also for those who voted MRPT in the last election--perhaps its time we reconsider the need for these mandatory lists in the near future. This vote has not been entered (yet) as it does not (yet) contain a VoC. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Oct 13, 2018 14:00:11 GMT -6
I vote per on both bills and non on the VoC.
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Oct 13, 2018 14:29:07 GMT -6
This vote has not been entered (yet) as it does not (yet) contain a VoC. It does now. |
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Oct 16, 2018 1:00:25 GMT -6
52RZ7 - NON
It is my opinion that the PD is completely Organic, and I say this as someone who deeply believes that the national levels of government should have zero input into the internal affairs of the provinces. However, while the government can't bind the provinces, the provinces can't bind the government.
This case involves the colours that should be used for illustrative depiction of the provinces. Each individual province could pass a law establishing an official colour for themselves while the government passes a law establishing a different colour set. The laws would contradict each other, sure, but both could be in effect simultaneously without a problem, both legally and practically. It may lead to confusion, but it would still be legal.
The government can decide on the official colour to be used in illustrations and that law would only apply to the national level. The provinces would not need to follow that law. They can completely ignore that law. It works both ways. The government can completely ignore a provinces choice of colour if it wants to follow a different path.
A law on the national level stating that Vuode is green means nothing to Vuode itself. Vuode, at the same time, can pass a law stating the colour is purple. For Vuode, internally, the colour would be purple and every chart they ever made would be done in purple, while in every chart the government ever made Vuode would be green. It might be confusing to people, but it would be legal.
Think about this. What if more than one province decided they had the same colour? Lets say Vuode passed a law establishing their colour as terracotta. And let's say M-M decided to pass a law establishing their colour, too, as terracotta. It's not outside the realm of possibility because it's the kind of stinking thing M-M would do. They steal Vuode's water from the watertower, they would steal their terracotta. Now, to Vuode and M-M, each others decision doesn't matter much. Whenever Vuode creates a chart they draw Vuode as terracotta and whenever M-M creates a chart (probably pie) they draw M-M as terracotta (probably in crayon). However, it poses a significant problem to the national level chart making dudes. They simply can't draw both as terracotta. They would need to adopt a different colour palette of their own to be able to differentiate.
The provinces can't demand of the national government to follow the provincial laws. The national government can't demand of the provinces to follow every national law (within the bounds of the framework set out in the Organic Law, of course).
The PD specifying KA to be red can only apply to the national level. It does not demand that the province of KA adopt red as its official colour, rather it demands that the national government adopt red as its official colour to depict a province. It didn't even, but if did, it would have been legal.
52RZ8 - PER
VoC - ÜC
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Post by Þon Txoteu É. Davinescu on Oct 19, 2018 22:00:30 GMT -6
RZ7 - Për
RZ8 - Për
VoC - Uc
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Oct 20, 2018 16:55:14 GMT -6
RZ7 - Për
RZ8 - Për
VoC - Uc
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Oct 20, 2018 20:03:29 GMT -6
RZ7 - Non
RZ8 - Për
VoC - Non
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