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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jun 27, 2018 10:55:07 GMT -6
My Name is Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir, If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College in designing and adjusting arms which has been granted to myself and my lawful heirs, in order to reflect a change in gender which has occured since my Arms were initally designed and issued. My favorite colour is Red (Cherry red)
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Jul 11, 2018 2:22:05 GMT -6
Azul!
I believe you must have received a mail regarding your query from the Squirrel Viceroy of Arms.
If not, let me know, cause I am aware that the letter was drafted; but am unaware whether it was posted.
Sd/- The Dean
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jul 11, 2018 11:24:36 GMT -6
I have not recieved any commuication on this i have seen or can find.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jul 11, 2018 13:45:23 GMT -6
My Name is Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir, If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College in designing and adjusting arms which has been granted to myself and my lawful heirs, in order to reflect a change in gender which has occured since my Arms were initally designed and issued. My favorite colour is Red (Cherry red) Azul Antaglha! Sorry, I briefly discussed your request with the Dean but got distracted by other things before I could reply to you. It is important to keep in mind the difference between a blazon, which is the written description of a grant of arms in heraldic language, and an emblazon, which is the visual depiction of a blazon. What is officially granted is the blazon, which may be emblazoned with some degree of artistic discretion. While men traditionally display their arms on an escutcheon (shield shape) and women traditionally display their arms on a cartouche (oval shape) in Talossan heraldic practice, the grant of arms itself is not "gendered" and does not specify the shape of the field on which the arms must be displayed. And the gender associations of the shape of the field are not ironclad in any event--for example, ecclesiastical arms (e.g. of bishops and popes) are often borne on cartouches rather than escutcheons, and in some cases women do bear arms on escutcheons. However, if you desire to display your arms on a cartouche rather than an escutcheon, a member of College's staff could assist you in preparing a new emblazon, which you could then use on your Wittenberg profile in place of the current emblazon featuring an escutcheon.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jul 12, 2018 2:21:39 GMT -6
My Name is Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir, If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College in designing and adjusting arms which has been granted to myself and my lawful heirs, in order to reflect a change in gender which has occured since my Arms were initally designed and issued. My favorite colour is Red (Cherry red) Azul Antaglha! Sorry, I briefly discussed your request with the Dean but got distracted by other things before I could reply to you. It is important to keep in mind the difference between a blazon, which is the written description of a grant of arms in heraldic language, and an emblazon, which is the visual depiction of a blazon. What is officially granted is the blazon, which may be emblazoned with some degree of artistic discretion. While men traditionally display their arms on an escutcheon (shield shape) and women traditionally display their arms on a cartouche (oval shape) in Talossan heraldic practice, the grant of arms itself is not "gendered" and does not specify the shape of the field on which the arms must be displayed. And the gender associations of the shape of the field are not ironclad in any event--for example, ecclesiastical arms (e.g. of bishops and popes) are often borne on cartouches rather than escutcheons, and in some cases women do bear arms on escutcheons. However, if you desire to display your arms on a cartouche rather than an escutcheon, a member of College's staff could assist you in preparing a new emblazon, which you could then use on your Wittenberg profile in place of the current emblazon featuring an escutcheon. Yes i would prefer the change of display if possible, and thanks for your assitance so far in this.
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Jul 12, 2018 20:31:34 GMT -6
I take it upon myself to prepare and emblazon the cartouche. (Others would have to help me with removing the corners )
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on Jul 13, 2018 3:07:13 GMT -6
I am not a member of this august body, so I request your forgiveness for my butting in with something that is not yet directly relevant here.
I have suggested, some time ago, that we here in Talossa should use neither cartouche nor escutcheon, as the gender of a citaxhién is of no concern to us. In the world, Talossa is different: why cannot our armorial be different too?
I would suggest our (optionally) adopting a melange of the two shapes - a sort of escutcheon with very rounded corners / cartouche that's a bit asymmetrical, top to bottom - so that it is not clear whether it is a modified escutcheon or a modified cartouche. We could look at Gabriel Lamé's Superellipse, which is neither ellipse nor rectangle, but something between the both of them. With a bit of elegant mathematics I am sure that this august body could find such a shape - could we call it a Talossion? (For purposes of information, I personally hold an honours degree in mathematics, and would be most willing to help on this, were this initial suggestion adopted. I have graphic arts abilities, though, of as near zero as it's possible to get - so the elegance of any shape finally chosen cannot possibly be mine)
By "optionally", above, I mean that a citaxhién has a choice as to whether cartouche or escutcheon or Talossion be used.
I apologise for raising this suggestion here, but I would welcome an opportunity - in a different thread - of discussing it.
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Jul 13, 2018 3:22:53 GMT -6
I am not a member of this august body, so I request your forgiveness for my butting in with something that is not yet directly relevant here. I have suggested, some time ago, that we here in Talossa should use neither cartouche nor escutcheon, as the gender of a citaxhién is of no concern to us. In the world, Talossa is different: why cannot our armorial be different too? I would suggest our (optionally) adopting a melange of the two shapes - a sort of escutcheon with very rounded corners / cartouche that's a bit asymmetrical, top to bottom - so that it is not clear whether it is a modified escutcheon or a modified cartouche. We could look at Gabriel Lamé's Superellipse, which is neither ellipse nor rectangle, but something between the both of them. With a bit of elegant mathematics I am sure that this august body could find such a shape - could we call it a Talossion? (For purposes of information, I personally hold an honours degree in mathematics, and would be most willing to help on this, were this initial suggestion adopted. I have graphic arts abilities, though, of as near zero as it's possible to get - so the elegance of any shape finally chosen cannot possibly be mine) By "optionally", above, I mean that a citaxhién has a choice as to whether cartouche or escutcheon or Talossion be used. I apologise for raising this suggestion here, but I would welcome an opportunity - in a different thread - of discussing it. I agree with Ián Tamorán S.H. , but for now I think the armiger Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir would be happy with this:
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jul 13, 2018 4:51:43 GMT -6
I have suggested, some time ago, that we here in Talossa should use neither cartouche nor escutcheon, as the gender of a citaxhién is of no concern to us. In the world, Talossa is different: why cannot our armorial be different too? I think many of us who are in the College are in the College because we like traditional forms, styles, and rules of heraldry. But I'd personally be open to adding a third shield shape on an optional basis as you describe. Your asymmetrical cartouche idea sounds like a shield shape that was common in Italian heraldry, and the "superellipse" closely resembles some forms of the Roman scutum.
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Post by Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Jul 13, 2018 7:01:09 GMT -6
I am not a member of this august body, so I request your forgiveness for my butting in with something that is not yet directly relevant here. I have suggested, some time ago, that we here in Talossa should use neither cartouche nor escutcheon, as the gender of a citaxhién is of no concern to us. In the world, Talossa is different: why cannot our armorial be different too? I would suggest our (optionally) adopting a melange of the two shapes - a sort of escutcheon with very rounded corners / cartouche that's a bit asymmetrical, top to bottom - so that it is not clear whether it is a modified escutcheon or a modified cartouche. We could look at Gabriel Lamé's Superellipse, which is neither ellipse nor rectangle, but something between the both of them. With a bit of elegant mathematics I am sure that this august body could find such a shape - could we call it a Talossion? (For purposes of information, I personally hold an honours degree in mathematics, and would be most willing to help on this, were this initial suggestion adopted. I have graphic arts abilities, though, of as near zero as it's possible to get - so the elegance of any shape finally chosen cannot possibly be mine) By "optionally", above, I mean that a citaxhién has a choice as to whether cartouche or escutcheon or Talossion be used. I apologise for raising this suggestion here, but I would welcome an opportunity - in a different thread - of discussing it. I agree with Ián Tamorán S.H. , but for now I think the armiger Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir would be happy with this: View AttachmentYes i am happy with this, thank you
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Post by Danihel Txechescu on Jul 16, 2018 20:03:43 GMT -6
If I may... I was going to remove the white background, but then one thing led to another... So here goes. Attachments:
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Jul 16, 2018 22:36:05 GMT -6
Being a follower of a totally different faith, am a little unaware of the different type of crosses. If the present one as depicted herein above matches that as is mentioned in the blazon, there's no problem.
However, just lower it a little, for it looks as if the same started from the position of the mast.
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on Jul 18, 2018 10:26:21 GMT -6
I have suggested, some time ago, that we here in Talossa should use neither cartouche nor escutcheon, as the gender of a citaxhién is of no concern to us. In the world, Talossa is different: why cannot our armorial be different too? I think many of us who are in the College are in the College because we like traditional forms, styles, and rules of heraldry. But I'd personally be open to adding a third shield shape on an optional basis as you describe. Your asymmetrical cartouche idea sounds like a shield shape that was common in Italian heraldry, and the "superellipse" closely resembles some forms of the Roman scutum. The Italian shape looks superb (to my eyes - but I have already said how non-artistic my eyes are!). The disadvantage of the scutum per se. is that it is symmetrical about both the vertical and the horizontal axis. It is, indeed, very like the (symmetrical) superellipse. Our Talossan love of tradition should allow us to adopt the (less symmetrical, and very elegant) Italian tradition too. More tradition, more solemnity!
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