Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Nov 5, 2017 14:03:43 GMT -6
Quoting from the Discussion thread, which I feared would become too clogged up with this dispute: 
Are these rules based on any law or have they ever been approved in a voter, or did the Senator from Mariitimi-Maxhestic just make them up?
It seems to me that the best way of conducting business is indeed for the Mencei to start discussion and voting threads, but if the Mencei fails to do that, what prevents other senators from starting up these threads about the matters we are supposed to be discussing?
It seems that there is a dispute as to what the Lord President of the Senate is allowed to do. The matter is of some importance, so I have decided to open up a new topic. Again, I wish to reiterate that the Emergency Session called in the matter of Béneditsch Ardpresteir takes precedence. Please consider voicing your opinions as to that in the appropriate place, before you turn to this here matter.
The dispute arose in the current Clark’s discussion thread. The Lord Warden of Cézembre, Senator da Dhi, believes that I have overstepped my bounds as Lord President of the Senate, by asking Members of this House to refrain from commenting in said Discussion Thread if they have not before commented in the Emergency Session (BenArd). The Honourable Member argued that Senators could not be forced to comment on a situation, which I conceded. However, I also put forth that Senators were within their rights to issue a statement to that effect within the Emergency Session, which would have counted as having turned their attention to that Emergency Session -- which was all that was required to obtain leave to comment on the Clark Discussion Thread.
I put forth following Prerogatives that the Lord President of the Senate enjoys as part of his office tenure:
It has been accepted practice in this House to ask leave of the Mençei to address the Members outside of sessions, viz. this request by Senator Grischun.
It has further been long-standing practice in this House – at least since my predecessor for Maritiimi-Maxhestic, Senator Mick Preston, was Lord President of the Senäts – that the Mençei begin sessions of discussion and voting on the Clark. While my absence-related failure to do so in the July 2017 discussions lead to the Senator to Florencia, on the very last day of Clark voting procedures, speaking out of turn to make his vote be heard, the Senator was within his rights to relief from unability to vote due to my inactivity.
Thus, it has been accepted practice that the Mençei decide on the topics of debate in the Senäts, and the order of topics in the Senäts.
If all the accepted powers of the Lord President are put together, namely:
1) power to grant and rescind audience
2) power to set orders of business
3) power to initiate sessions
4) power to discipline members acting out of order
then it is well within the rights of the Lord President to prohibit Members of the Senäts from speaking in a matter, if another matter is deemed more urgent. Indeed, since Clarks are only discussed upon the Lord President constituting a discussion thread, the prohibition from speaking therein is no different from the Lord President not creating such discussion threads in the first place.
Furthermore, these powers of the Office of the Lord President of the Senate are, in a virtual environment, very difficult to enforce. If the position of Mençei exists to bring order to the business of the Senäts, then it is necessary for the Lord President to have the power to discipline unruly members, and to set limitations as to what business the Senäts conducts.
The Honourable Member da Dhi is furthermore right that, if the Mençei fails in his duties, it is within every single Member’s power to vote upon the Clark in spite of that failure. This failure, however, cannot be claimed here. I have, in a timely fashion, formally called a discussion, but ruled that said discussion be held off until another, more urgent matter, is attended unto and acknowledged by the Members of this House.
Now, my Honourable Colleagues should know that I am not a tyrant. It is under their command that I stand in this Office, and it is with their blessing that I conduct its business. I am in this office to bring order into this august House, befitting its dignified position within the Realm. A challenge to this position weakens the Senate’s esteem, and it weakens the Office of the Lord President’s respect. I thus ask direction from the esteemed Members of the Senäts: Do the Senators gathered here believe that there is an error in judgement made by the Lord President?
It seems to me that the best way of conducting business is indeed for the Mencei to start discussion and voting threads, but if the Mencei fails to do that, what prevents other senators from starting up these threads about the matters we are supposed to be discussing?
It seems that there is a dispute as to what the Lord President of the Senate is allowed to do. The matter is of some importance, so I have decided to open up a new topic. Again, I wish to reiterate that the Emergency Session called in the matter of Béneditsch Ardpresteir takes precedence. Please consider voicing your opinions as to that in the appropriate place, before you turn to this here matter.
The dispute arose in the current Clark’s discussion thread. The Lord Warden of Cézembre, Senator da Dhi, believes that I have overstepped my bounds as Lord President of the Senate, by asking Members of this House to refrain from commenting in said Discussion Thread if they have not before commented in the Emergency Session (BenArd). The Honourable Member argued that Senators could not be forced to comment on a situation, which I conceded. However, I also put forth that Senators were within their rights to issue a statement to that effect within the Emergency Session, which would have counted as having turned their attention to that Emergency Session -- which was all that was required to obtain leave to comment on the Clark Discussion Thread.
I put forth following Prerogatives that the Lord President of the Senate enjoys as part of his office tenure:
It has been accepted practice in this House to ask leave of the Mençei to address the Members outside of sessions, viz. this request by Senator Grischun.
It has further been long-standing practice in this House – at least since my predecessor for Maritiimi-Maxhestic, Senator Mick Preston, was Lord President of the Senäts – that the Mençei begin sessions of discussion and voting on the Clark. While my absence-related failure to do so in the July 2017 discussions lead to the Senator to Florencia, on the very last day of Clark voting procedures, speaking out of turn to make his vote be heard, the Senator was within his rights to relief from unability to vote due to my inactivity.
Thus, it has been accepted practice that the Mençei decide on the topics of debate in the Senäts, and the order of topics in the Senäts.
If all the accepted powers of the Lord President are put together, namely:
1) power to grant and rescind audience
2) power to set orders of business
3) power to initiate sessions
4) power to discipline members acting out of order
then it is well within the rights of the Lord President to prohibit Members of the Senäts from speaking in a matter, if another matter is deemed more urgent. Indeed, since Clarks are only discussed upon the Lord President constituting a discussion thread, the prohibition from speaking therein is no different from the Lord President not creating such discussion threads in the first place.
Furthermore, these powers of the Office of the Lord President of the Senate are, in a virtual environment, very difficult to enforce. If the position of Mençei exists to bring order to the business of the Senäts, then it is necessary for the Lord President to have the power to discipline unruly members, and to set limitations as to what business the Senäts conducts.
The Honourable Member da Dhi is furthermore right that, if the Mençei fails in his duties, it is within every single Member’s power to vote upon the Clark in spite of that failure. This failure, however, cannot be claimed here. I have, in a timely fashion, formally called a discussion, but ruled that said discussion be held off until another, more urgent matter, is attended unto and acknowledged by the Members of this House.
Now, my Honourable Colleagues should know that I am not a tyrant. It is under their command that I stand in this Office, and it is with their blessing that I conduct its business. I am in this office to bring order into this august House, befitting its dignified position within the Realm. A challenge to this position weakens the Senate’s esteem, and it weakens the Office of the Lord President’s respect. I thus ask direction from the esteemed Members of the Senäts: Do the Senators gathered here believe that there is an error in judgement made by the Lord President?
