Post by Iac Marscheir on Oct 25, 2017 8:30:24 GMT -6
WHEREAS we are, as everyone knows, the best province, and
WHEREAS that means we should celebrate our bestness,
THEREFORE be it enacted that a new section entitled “Title E: Provincial Holidays” shall be created and added to the text of the Comprehensive Body of Law Act.
A new clause, Title E, Clause 1 (E.1), shall be added with the text:
”Clauses may be added to this title at any time simply by an assemblyperson saying in the assembly ‘Hey, we should make [day] a holiday for [reason].’ If two other assemblypersons answer with ‘Yeah, we should,’ the new holiday will be added to the clause immediately.”
Title A, Clause 6 shall be deleted, and a new clause, Title E, Clause 2 (E.2), with the same text shall be created.
A new clause, Title E, Clause 3 (E.3), shall be added with the text:
“The Assembly of Maritiimi-Maxhestic hereby establishes Victorià in Tzaracentra Ziua, or Victory in Middle-Earth Day, a day of celebration of the victory of the Captains of the West over the armies of Sauron, and of the hobbit Frodo’s destruction of the One Ring, to be observed on March 25 every year.”
Uréu q’estadra sa
(I hereby submit this for discussion)
Ian makes good points.
(Besides, I guess I've realized that activity for the sake of activity isn't necessarily good.)
Post by Ian Plätschisch on Oct 25, 2017 13:08:38 GMT -6
I have some concerns about this bill.
1) Attempting to create new law without the approval of a majority of the Assembly almost certainly goes against our Constitution (I'd have to check it again to be sure, but I think so).
2) I don't love the idea of creating a bunch of random holidays. We already have a holiday literally every single day, plus all the holidays at the national level, so I don't think we should create so many holidays that we need a whole new section for it.
3) Does MM have any significant connection to the Lord of the Rings? If the province held of celebration for this holiday, that would be great and possibly encourage activity, but I see no reason for it to be enshrined in law.
V: If one takes issue with the current Covenants - I would support a rewrite to clean them up.
Feb 10, 2019 17:36:13 GMT -6
V: But that said, this argument that if we adopted the new Org Law and the Covenants, it would be inorganic is lost when we consider that by adopting the new org law, we relinquish the shackles of the old Org Law.
Feb 10, 2019 17:37:05 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: You have some good points. To be sure, the longevity and tradition of the OrgLaw make it (and us) stand out from other, similar, places. But your argument here in this thread basically boils down to "it's too cumbersome." And that's not true.
Feb 10, 2019 20:02:08 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: The new proposal is just as cumbersome and complicated, except where it has omissions that will need to be remedied. Even leaving aside the fatal flaws, it's not an improvement in this way, except for the lack of "holes."
Feb 10, 2019 20:03:20 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: Ultimately, the same amount of effort spent amending the current OrgLaw would have had equal or superior effect to coming up with a new system of government, plus it wouldn't have trashed the old one to which we swore an oath.
Feb 10, 2019 20:04:18 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: And finally, the entire process is being performed by the legislative process as normal, which means it is part of that process. Elevating new supreme documents so easily should not be possible, since that is dangerous and ill-conceived.
Feb 10, 2019 20:05:35 GMT -6
V: Not really - in effect- we're amending the prior org law by repealing all aspects of it and passing adopting new sections. So yoi can keep your longevity.
Feb 10, 2019 20:28:07 GMT -6
Ian Plätschisch: Yeah, the whole reason we aren't calling it "The 2019 Organic Law" is because you convinced us not to
Feb 10, 2019 20:46:13 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: So... if you agree with me, why the argument? Yes, we're doing it entirely within the frame of the current Organic Law, passing a massive amendment to install a new constitution in its shell. Good, I guess, although this is a weird conversation.
Feb 10, 2019 22:02:41 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: I am comforted by the fact that this probably won't pass referendum, but why run in circles like the above? Let's just be straightforward.
Feb 10, 2019 22:03:58 GMT -6
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