Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 12, 2017 18:40:58 GMT -6
If I may beg the leave of the esteemed College,
It appears that the College is chronically understaffed.
I don't have experience with heraldry or the Talossan language, and I don't have Photoshop or any other fancy software. But I am pretty good with PowerPoint and I'm willing to help if someone gives me a few pointers.
The Most Honourable Ian Viac'hteir Plätschisch Seneschal del Regipäts Talossan Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Talossa ______________________________________________________ Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic Leader of the Moderate Radical Party of Talossa (MRPT)
Béneditsch Ardpresteir, Esq., O.SPM Member of the Cosa Justice of the Uppermost Cort ? Member, Royal Talossan Bar The Noir Eagle Herald Dean, RTCoA Chancellor of the O.SPM Premieir & Provincial Secretary of Maricopa Owner of Schneiderian Steels Ex Attorney General Ex Deputy Immigration Minister Ex Senator Elect Ex Undersecretary of State Ex Jolly Good Fellow
V: That document should be the rights that we seek to protect, that must exist above all other law.
Feb 10, 2019 17:33:43 GMT -6
V: To accomplish this - the Covenants ought to be the Supreme Document of Talossa. To change them, as they are the specific rights that every Talossan requires, ought to be much higher.
Feb 10, 2019 17:34:25 GMT -6
V: The Organic Law, however, is the document that gives effect to the Covenants. It is inferior to the Covenants. We practice this implicitly with the provision that all laws must be interpreted through the lens of the Covenants.
Feb 10, 2019 17:35:03 GMT -6
V: That's already ingrained in the Organic Law. What bifurcation does is illuminates conflating the importance of the Organic Law with the supreme importance of the Covenants.
Feb 10, 2019 17:35:43 GMT -6
V: If one takes issue with the current Covenants - I would support a rewrite to clean them up.
Feb 10, 2019 17:36:13 GMT -6
V: But that said, this argument that if we adopted the new Org Law and the Covenants, it would be inorganic is lost when we consider that by adopting the new org law, we relinquish the shackles of the old Org Law.
Feb 10, 2019 17:37:05 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: You have some good points. To be sure, the longevity and tradition of the OrgLaw make it (and us) stand out from other, similar, places. But your argument here in this thread basically boils down to "it's too cumbersome." And that's not true.
Feb 10, 2019 20:02:08 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: The new proposal is just as cumbersome and complicated, except where it has omissions that will need to be remedied. Even leaving aside the fatal flaws, it's not an improvement in this way, except for the lack of "holes."
Feb 10, 2019 20:03:20 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: Ultimately, the same amount of effort spent amending the current OrgLaw would have had equal or superior effect to coming up with a new system of government, plus it wouldn't have trashed the old one to which we swore an oath.
Feb 10, 2019 20:04:18 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: And finally, the entire process is being performed by the legislative process as normal, which means it is part of that process. Elevating new supreme documents so easily should not be possible, since that is dangerous and ill-conceived.
Feb 10, 2019 20:05:35 GMT -6
V: Not really - in effect- we're amending the prior org law by repealing all aspects of it and passing adopting new sections. So yoi can keep your longevity.
Feb 10, 2019 20:28:07 GMT -6
Ian Plätschisch: Yeah, the whole reason we aren't calling it "The 2019 Organic Law" is because you convinced us not to
Feb 10, 2019 20:46:13 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: So... if you agree with me, why the argument? Yes, we're doing it entirely within the frame of the current Organic Law, passing a massive amendment to install a new constitution in its shell. Good, I guess, although this is a weird conversation.
Feb 10, 2019 22:02:41 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: I am comforted by the fact that this probably won't pass referendum, but why run in circles like the above? Let's just be straightforward.
Feb 10, 2019 22:03:58 GMT -6
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