Random thought: Talossan achievement challenge.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Not sure this is a good idea, but I was thinking about earlier discussion on additional honours or award systems designed to increase engagement. I still think we should probably introduce something like that, but there are some obvious complications, like giving official status to a system that will always be subjective or devaluing existing awards. A possible alternative could be to have some unofficial informal recognition system alongside potential official awards. My idea was to create some kind of point system for which there would be yearly rankings. I have already been thinking of various categories with different achievements for which citizens could get an increasing number of points.

For example in the category citizenship

Become a Citizen of Talossa - 1 pt
Meet 5 Talossans - 2 pts
Be a citizen for 5 years - 5 pts
Visit Talossafest - 10 pts
Visit Cézembre - 20 pts
Do the Haxh - 50 pts
Live in the GTA - 100 pts
Visit Talossafest 5 times - 200 pts
Visit Péngöpäts - 500 pts
Be a citizen for 25 years - 1000 pts

There could be about 25 or even more of these categories.

Thoughts?

[Ian Plätschisch]

I'm not ignoring this, I'm just pondering it.

[Audrada Rôibeardét]

I hope that one day I'll be a level 50 Talossan with max politics. Hehe.

[Iac Marscheir]

Hmm... this is like that ribbons thing from a while back, which I liked.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Aug 22, 2017 18:31:19 GMT -6 Audrada Rôibeardét said:

I hope that one day I'll be a level 50 Talossan with max politics. Hehe.

Well obviously the danger is that it encourages people to see Talossa as just a game or otherwise devalue the Talossan experience, even when it's unofficial. On other hand, if people actually start doing the things need to "score points" it might be a boost in activity.

[Glüc da Dhi]

This is what I got so far.

STUFF
- Edit a page on an official Talossan website 1
- Post something to an official Talossan Social Media Account 2
- Create a new page on an official Talossan website 5
- Become a member of NUMB or the GTZT 10
- Serve as deputy Minister of STUFF 20
- Add 1000 words total to an official Talossan website 50
- Serve as Minister of STUFF 100
- Create or rewrite 25 pages on an official Talossan website 200
- Serve 5 terms as Minister of STUFF 500
- Create a new official website or forum 1000
Culture
- Create Talossan Culture 1
- Organise any Talossan cultural contest or event 2
- Write a Talossa related poem or design Talossa related items 5
- Coin a frequently used phrase in Talossa 10
- Serve as deputy minister of Culture 20
- Organise Talossan wargames 50
- Serve as Minister of Culture 100
- Contribute to Talossan cultural heritage in 10 different ways 200
- Serve 5 terms as Minister of Culture 500
- Publish a Talossa related book 1000
Foreign
- Participate on Micronational fora 1
- Serve as Talossan Ambassador 2
- Establish contacts in 10 different micronations 5
- Serve as Consul to the US 10
- Serve as deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs 20
- Visit a Micronational Convention 50
- Serve as Minister of Foreign Affairs 100
- Sign a bilateral treaty that is ratified by the Cosa 200
- Serve 5 terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs 500
- Get a UN member to recognise Talossa 1000
Justice
- Become a member of the Royal Bar 1
- Write an Amicus Curiae letter 2
- Succesfully represent a client in Court 5
- Become a CpI Justice 10
- Serve as deputy AG 20
- Decide on a case 50
- Serve as AG 100
- Serve 2 years as senior justice of the CpI 200
- Serve 5 terms as AG 500
- Decide on 20 cases as CpI justice 1000
Interior
- Join the armed forces 1
- Phone/Skype in during Talossafest 2
- Change province 5
- Provide a vessel to be used by the navy 10
- Serve as deputy minister for Defense or Home Affairs 20
- Serve as Admiral or Captain of the Zouaves 50
- Serve as Minister of the Interior 100
- Organise Talossafest 200
- Serve 5 terms as Minister of the Interior 500
- Organise Talossafest 5 times 1000
Immigration
- Comment in an Immigration Thread 1
- Become a TA 2
- Write a citizenship petitition 5
- Introduce a friend to Talossa 10
- Become chair of the NCC 20
- Get the Immigration Achievement Award 50
- Serve as deputy Minister for Immigration 100
- Write 10 citizenship Petitions 200
- Serve 5 terms as deputy Minister for Immigration 500
- Succesfully introduce more than 20 people to Talossa 1000
Finance
- Buy Coins/Stamps 1
- Donate to Talossa/TalossaAID 2
- Pay for Talossan websites 5
- Donate more than 100$ to Talossa 10
- Serve as deputy Minister of Finance 20
- Sell Talossaware/Stamps 50
- Serve as Minister of Finance 100
- Serve as Burgermeister 200
- Serve 5 terms as Minister of Finance 500
- Mint Coins 1000
Government
- Serve in any national government office or bureau 1
- Lead any national government office or bureau 2
- Serve as deputy minister for 1 term 5
- Serve as minister for 1 term 10
- Serve as Distain 20
- Serve 5 terms in the Cabinet 50
- Serve as Seneschal 100
- Serve in 6 different cabinet positions 200
- Serve 5 terms as Seneschal 500
- Serve 1 term in every cabinet position. 1000
Cosa
- Be named as a Cosa candidate 1
- Be elected to the Cosa 2
- Cosponsor a bill as MC 5
- Serve one term as MC without missing a vote 10
- Hopper and Clark a bill as MC 20
- Comment on 10 different bills as MC 50
- Become Tuischach 100
- Hopper and Clark 10 different bills as MC 200
- Serve 5 consecutive terms as MC without missing a single vote 500
- Succesfully amend 25 sections of the Orglaw as MC 1000
Senate
- Contest a Senate Election 1
- Be elected to the Senate 2
- Cosponsor a bill as a Senator 5
- Serve one cosa term as Senator without missing a vote 10
- Hopper and clark a bill as Senator 20
- Comment on 10 different bills as Senator 50
- Become Mencei 100
- Hopper and clark 10 bills as Senator 200
- Serve 3 consecutive terms as Senator without missing a single vote 500
- Succesfully amend 25 sections of the Orglaw as Senator 1000
Politics
- Vote in a General Election 1
- Join a political party 2
- Vote in 5 consecutive General Elections 5
- Create a new party with more than 3 members 10
- Become party leader 20
- Be a member of 5 different parties 50
- Stay a member of the same party for more than 5 years 100
- Actively campaign for a party that wins more than 15 cosa seats compared to last time 200
- Convince more than 10 people to join your party 500
- Win two consecutive Cosa majorities as party leader 1000
Chancery
- Have a database account 1
- Vote using the database 2
- Conduct a provincial election 5
- Validate an election as EC member 10
- Serve as deputy SoS 20
- Conduct General Elections or a Census 50
- Serve as SoS 100
- Operate the Talossan database 200
- Serve as SoS for 5 cosa terms 500
- Create the Talossan database 1000
Royal Household
- Serve in any position within the Royal Household 1
- Be a member of the Royal Society 2
- Serve as a Royal Household Officer 5
- Update the Digest of Laws or release a financial report 10
- Serve 3 years as a Royal Household Officer 20
- Be a member of the Privy Council 50
- Serve in 5 different Royal Household positions 100
- Serve 5 cosa terms as Scribe or Royal Archivist 200
- Serve in every Royal Household office for at least 6 months 500
- Serve 10 consecutive years as the same Royal Household officer 1000
Citizenship
- Become a Citizen of Talossa 1
- Meet 5 Talossans 2
- Be a citizen for 5 years 5
- Visit Talossafest 10
- Visit Cézembre 20
- Do the Haxh 50
- Live in the GTA 100
- Visit Talossafest 5 times 200
- Visit Péngöpäts 500
- Be a citizen for 25 years 1000
Province
- Serve in the assembly of your province 1
- Meet a Talossan from your province 2
- Update information about your province online 5
- Propose provincial legislation 10
- Organise an event in your province 20
- Serve as Cunstaval 50
- Serve as Provincial Premier 100
- Succesfully amend the constitution of your province 200
- Serve as Justice in a provincial Court 500
- Serve as either Senator and Premier of your province for at least 15 Cosa terms 1000
Arms
- Apply for a coat of arms 1
- Be granted a coat of arms 2
- Become a member of the CoA 5
- Design someone elses coat of arms 10
- Serve as dean of the Coa 20
- Succesfully assist more than 10 Talossans in getting a coat of arms 50
- Complete major updates to the armorial 100
- Serve as dean of the CoA for 5 cosa terms 200
- Recruit 8 new members to the CoA 500
- Succesfully design and blazon 25 arms with at least 30 different elements. 1000
Language
- Get a Talossan name 1
- Complete both Talossan memrise courses 2
- Have a serious conversation in Talossan 5
- Become a member of the CuG 10
- Succesfully propose a new rule for Talossan 20
- Serve as president of the CuG or Ladintsch Naziunal 50
- Translate 5 poems, songs or short stories into Talossan 100
- Write an orginal story of more than 500 words in Talossan 200
- Create a course, teach or write an extensive analysis of the Talosssan language 500
- Publish a book in Talossan 1000
Witt
- Create a Witt Account 1
- Like a post on witt 2
- Start a thread on witt 5
- Create 100 posts on Witt 10
- Post on every witt board 20
- Succesfully propose a new board/subboard on witt 50
- Be a witt admin 100
- Start 100 threads on witt 200
- Create 5000 posts on witt 500
- Completely archive Witt 1000
Nobility
- chat online or meet with a member of the peerage or a knight 1
- Get a provincial title or award 2
- Receive a senatorial medal of honour 5
- Become a knight (UrN) 10
- Become a knight (UrGP) 20
- Become a duke 50
- Become a count 100
- Become a baron 200
- Become King of Talossa 500
- Have a lawful heir become Monarch for at least 5 years after having been monarch for at least 5 years. 1000
Wiki
- Create an account on the wiki 1
- Edit your userpage on the wiki 2
- Edit a page on the wiki 5
- Create a new page on the wiki 10
- Approve someones account on the wiki 20
- Edit at least 10 pages on the wiki 50
- Create a new page of at least 200 words on the wiki 100
- Create a new template used in at least 10 pages on the wiki 200
- Edit/create at least 150 pages on the wiki 500
- Create Talossawiki 1000
Journalism
- Post a press release or news worthy statement 1
- Write an article for a newspaper 2
- Become permanent staff at a news paper 5
- Write an interview with a fellow Talossan 10
- Found your own newspaper with at least 3 contributors 20
- Write at least 20 newspaper articles 50
- Write a feature article of at least 500 words including visual aids 100
- Win a Talossan Journalism Award 200
- Be the editor of a newspaper that publishes regularly (at least 15 editions or 50 articles) for at least 2 years 500
- Write at least 1 article per month for at least 5 years 1000
Social Media
- Talk to a Talossan using social media 1
- Join a Talossan social media platform 2
- Tweet or post on facebook about Talossa 5
- Post Talossa related pictures on instagram 10
- Talk to 10 different Talossans via social media 20
- Add or lead more than 10 Talossans to a Talossan social media group 50
- Create a new Talossan social media group with more than 10 Talossan users 100
- Have a videochat with more than 5 different Talossans 200
- Post/Tweet more than 25 Talossa related post on social media 500
- Have a conversation with more than 150 different Talossans on social media 1000
History
- Discuss Talossan history with a fellow Talossan 1
- Revive an interesting old witt thread 2
- Carefully document an event for future Talossans 5
- Write an article about Talossan history 10
- Carefully document and make an overview of all events during a cosa terms for future Talossans 20
- Serve as Royal Archivist 50
- Create an archive of more than 20 Talossan items 100
- Serve more than 5 Cosa terms as Royal Archivist 200
- Archive an important Talossan site 500
- Publish a book on Talossan history 1000
Other
- Say something really funny in or about Talossa 1
- Make a small contribution to Talossa that doesnt get you points otherwise 2
- Join someones Talossan organisation 5
- Contribute to someones Talossan project that doesnt get you points otherwise 10
- Make 5 small contributions to Talossa that dont get you points otherwise 20
- Start a succesful Talossan project that doesnt get you points otherwise 50
- Create a Talossan organisation with at least 5 members 100
- Make a big contribution ot Talossa that doesnt get you points otherwise 200
- Make significant contributions to Talossan Politics, Government, Language, Culture, Civil Society and provincial activity 500
- Change the course of Talossan history 1000


Each score would be multiplied by the number of times you got that score. (eg if you get 2 times 1 and 3 times 2, your score would be 2*1*2 + 3*2*3 = 22)

Still not sure whether this is a good or a bad idea, but I liked coming up with these anyway.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Aug 23, 2017 7:02:41 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

- Serve 5 consecutive terms as MC without missing a single vote 500

I'm 60% of the way there.  Could we get points for things we've already done?

Each score would be multiplied by the number of times you got that score. (eg if you get 2 times 1 and 3 times 2, your score would be 2*1*2 + 3*2*3 = 22)

I'm not sure I fully understand this scoring method.

Still not sure whether this is a good or a bad idea, but I liked coming up with these anyway.

I like it better than the ribbons idea, probably because it is much more intentionally casual; it is not something you can wear or display, just a fun mechanism for collecting points for civil service and the like.  I love collecting points, and I'd love to know how many points I have earned so far (I'll have to check at some point, after you clarify how the scoring method works).

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

As much as I usually like your ideas, I think I have to oppose this one. If this gets implemented, two things will happen: people will start doing stuff (usually easy-scorers) merely to outscore others, not of genuine interest or love for the country. It's a substitute of motivation. I think, intention is more important than the outcome.

And there will be an enormous, overwhelming system of keeping the scores, which will very soon become tiresome (I know, I tried such systems in my own life). It's a huge overcomplication and further gamification.

On the positive side, though, you did a great job outlining what a person can do for the good Talossa, and for that alone it wasn't a futile effort.

(I think I'll try to become a King this year, I probably won't succeed, but if I do I get whole 500 points to outscore all of you! Bwahaha! Oops)

[Ian Plätschisch]

Aug 23, 2017 7:47:48 GMT -6 Alèx Soleighlfred said:

As much as I usually like your ideas, I think I have to oppose this one. If this gets implemented, two things will happen: people will start doing stuff (usually easy-scorers) merely to outscore others, not of genuine interest or love for the country. It's a substitute of motivation. I think, intention is more important than the outcome.

And there will be an enormous, overwhelming system of keeping the scores, which will very soon become tiresome (I know, I tried such systems in my own life). It's a huge overcomplication and further gamification.

On the positive side, though, you did a great job outlining what a person can do for the good Talossa, and for that alone it wasn't a futile effort.

(I think I'll try to become a King this year, I probably won't succeed, but if I do I get whole 500 points to outscore all of you! Bwahaha! Oops)

I think that the idea of earning points could motivate new immigrants to get involved with Talossa enough to where, after a little while, they are doing things because they are truly interested. We need an initial "push" which turns new immigrants into a member of the community, and this might be it.

If a new organization gets started by someone seeking points, and that organization ends up getting people more active and interested in Talossa, I don't see the problem with that. I also don't see the problem with rewarding people for the otherwise thankless job of updating webpages.

"Come for the points, stay because you love Talossa"

[Iac Marscheir]

Aug 23, 2017 7:47:48 GMT -6 Alèx Soleighlfred said:

As much as I usually like your ideas, I think I have to oppose this one. If this gets implemented, two things will happen: people will start doing stuff (usually easy-scorers) merely to outscore others, not of genuine interest or love for the country. It's a substitute of motivation. I think, intention is more important than the outcome.

And there will be an enormous, overwhelming system of keeping the scores, which will very soon become tiresome (I know, I tried such systems in my own life). It's a huge overcomplication and further gamification.

On the positive side, though, you did a great job outlining what a person can do for the good Talossa, and for that alone it wasn't a futile effort.

(I think I'll try to become a King this year, I probably won't succeed, but if I do I get whole 500 points to outscore all of you! Bwahaha! Oops)

Aug 23, 2017 8:38:53 GMT -6 Ian Plätschisch said:

Aug 23, 2017 7:47:48 GMT -6 Alèx Soleighlfred said:

As much as I usually like your ideas, I think I have to oppose this one. If this gets implemented, two things will happen: people will start doing stuff (usually easy-scorers) merely to outscore others, not of genuine interest or love for the country. It's a substitute of motivation. I think, intention is more important than the outcome.

And there will be an enormous, overwhelming system of keeping the scores, which will very soon become tiresome (I know, I tried such systems in my own life). It's a huge overcomplication and further gamification.

On the positive side, though, you did a great job outlining what a person can do for the good Talossa, and for that alone it wasn't a futile effort.

(I think I'll try to become a King this year, I probably won't succeed, but if I do I get whole 500 points to outscore all of you! Bwahaha! Oops)

I think that the idea of earning points could motivate new immigrants to get involved with Talossa enough to where, after a little while, they are doing things because they are truly interested. We need an initial "push" which turns new immigrants into a member of the community, and this might be it.

If a new organization gets started by someone seeking points, and that organization ends up getting people more active and interested in Talossa, I don't see the problem with that. I also don't see the problem with rewarding people for the otherwise thankless job of updating webpages.

"Come for the points, stay because you love Talossa"

Stop making great points! You're making it hard for me to decide whether I like this or not!

[Munditenens Tresplet]

I'd say visiting Péngopäts should be worth 5000 points at least, that would be a wicked achievement.

[Audrada Rôibeardét]

Or, and this is my random thought, Talossans could just be happy being Talossan.

Why do we need rewards? Why do we need points?

[Ian Plätschisch]

Aug 23, 2017 18:33:25 GMT -6 Audrada Rôibeardét said:

Or, and this is my random thought, Talossans could just be happy being Talossan.

Why do we need rewards? Why do we need points?

I am happy being Talossan, but I am even happier being Talossan AND collecting points 

More seriously, I think we need a way to get new immigrants to realize they would be happy being Talossan before they become permanently inactive and we lose them forever.  Alex talked about this yesterday in one of the immigration threads.  This point system could be a way to do that, since new citizens could be incentivized to participate by the prospect of earning points, and then once they started participating, they would realize that they love participating and being Talossan for its own sake.  Then, large point values of long-time citizens could be a bit of friendly rivalry and inspire new citizens to stick around.

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

If we look at it from this point of view, as a way to get people initially intrigued, then it needs to be waaay simpler and doesn't necessarily need to involve points. We should start from scratch with this idea in mind, "to reward people's initial activity", and make the system that is clear and not dauntingly huge.

P. S. Maybe it's just a derivatist in me talking: real countries don't give you points for participation.

I would urge us to continue this discussion and come up with a better way to do this.

I like the idea of a list of activities that would be appreciated. Though I think we have to exclude some of them that are impossible for a prospective/new citizen to attain (how on earth can one become a King, or even a Senator?)

Then, we need somewhere to make people's achievements known and public, so that they knew what they do is important to Talossa. To stay motivated and dedicated, people need feedback. I think that would need our press system to evolve. We have TPA and it's virtually dead. There was literally one article in ETT and two in ZA lately.

Now, isn't there a difference between "I did stuff for Talossa and some random guy on the Immigration forum told me "good boy", and "I did stuff for Talossa and my success was published on a national newspaper"? New citizens have nearly zero feedback now. So, on a related topic, we need to do something with our press. We don't even have an official newspaper, seriously.

[Audrada Rôibeardét]

I think someone needs to do something news worthy before we have a news publication. Currently, the only thing that seems to make any kind of headlines around here is politics. YAWN!!

Such is Talossa, I'm afraid.