Questions about inconsistencies on Talossan.com

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial]

Does an adjective ending in -ös or -ic change to -ösa and -ica respectively (as suggested by the corresponding grammar page on Talossan.com) or not (as suggested by l'Översteir)?

Speaking of -ös, is the ending stressed (as suggested by the 2012 stress rule) or not (as suggested by the same grammar page that says that -ös becomes -ösa when feminine)?

And now a general stress rule question:
When a noun or adjective ending in L is pluralised, the L becomes an i. So obviously, a noun ending in -il becomes... what exactly? Does the L disappear? If so, does the stress shift according to the stress rule or does the plural ending get an accent?

Graschcias in advance.
--Tafial


PS: And we also need to resolve the spelling issue since there are three used in parallel (not including my proposal from late December)

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Mar 5, 2017 16:21:40 GMT -6 Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial said:

Does an adjective ending in -ös or -ic change to -ösa and -ica respectively (as suggested by the corresponding grammar page on Talossan.com) or not (as suggested by l'Översteir)?

Adjectives ending in -ös or -ic should not inflict for gender as far as I know. I'll have to talk to Hooligan to see if he remembers where that bit on Talossan.com comes from.

Mar 5, 2017 16:21:40 GMT -6 Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial said:

Speaking of -ös, is the ending stressed (as suggested by the 2012 stress rule) or not (as suggested by the same grammar page that says that -ös becomes -ösa when feminine)?

It wasn't clear whether that ending was meant to be stressed under Ben's rules, but in 2012 we finally concluded that it was, and so tweaked the stress rule to make that (hopefully) clearer going forward.

Mar 5, 2017 16:21:40 GMT -6 Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial said:

And now a general stress rule question:
When a noun or adjective ending in L is pluralised, the L becomes an i. So obviously, a noun ending in -il becomes... what exactly? Does the L disappear? If so, does the stress shift according to the stress rule or does the plural ending get an accent?

Dammit. The L does disappear. But I don't think the stress shifts. So the ending should become -ís, shouldn't it?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial]

Mar 23, 2017 20:40:29 GMT -6 Sir C. M. Siervicül said:

Dammit. The L does disappear. But I don't think the stress shifts. So the ending should become -ís, shouldn't it?

L'Översteir does not put a stressmark as of now, but yea it should.

I've got another question:
tüpesch is stressed on the ü since -esch is ignored when determining stress, but how is tüpeschmint stressed? Is it on the e, since final -mint is ignored, or is it on the ü as in tüpesch? (If so, is it spelled tǖpeschmint or something along those lines?)

[Iac Marscheir]

Actually, I've been meaning to ask a question relating to that: is the GC still up-to-date on stress-marking diaereses (i.e. by replacing them with circumflexes), or has it actually become "Ǘǘ"?

[Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial]

The latter. As far as I know, the current iteration of GC doesnt include the 2012+ Arestadas.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Mar 25, 2017 4:13:17 GMT -6 Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial said:

tüpesch is stressed on the ü since -esch is ignored when determining stress, but how is tüpeschmint stressed? Is it on the e, since final -mint is ignored, or is it on the ü as in tüpesch? (If so, is it spelled tǖpeschmint or something along those lines?)

The way the 2014 version of the stress rule is phrased, only the ending with which the word actually ends is ignored when determining default stress. This means that if you add an unstressed suffix to a word that already ends in an unstressed ending, it could have the effect of causing stress to shift to a different syllable. For example, vétgament (vehement) is stressed on the first syllable, but vetgamentamint (vehemently) is stressed on -ment-. Similarly, cunsistent is stressed on -sis-, but cunsistentamint is stressed on -ment-.

We've gone back and forth on this point. I think the examples above are right, but I'm not sure the rule always gives the right result. For example, it seems like most words ending in -ic should not be stressed on -ic- when -mint is added, and therefore need a stressmark added as well.