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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Sept 16, 2016 2:32:07 GMT -6
I thought about this on my way to work this morning. Throughout the history of Talossa there's a pattern that elections are much more engaging than government. Every election, the sitting government is justly blamed for having done very little.
I am very afraid that this is exactly the wrong way to go. Talossa thrives on activity and elections, not on calm maintenance of the system. Senator elections are not nearly as engaging as Cosâ elections and I doubt they would be even de-coupled from the Cosâ elections.
I'm sorry. On the paper, I really like these neat suggestions, but in practice I think they are coffin nails.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 16, 2016 3:28:15 GMT -6
I thought about this on my way to work this morning. Throughout the history of Talossa there's a pattern that elections are much more engaging than government. Every election, the sitting government is justly blamed for having done very little. I am very afraid that this is exactly the wrong way to go. Talossa thrives on activity and elections, not on calm maintenance of the system. Senator elections are not nearly as engaging as Cosâ elections and I doubt they would be even de-coupled from the Cosâ elections. I'm sorry. On the paper, I really like these neat suggestions, but in practice I think they are coffin nails. This is exactly why I am afraid of if we put the Senator elections in July-August, and why I want to split it in another bill, to avoid it sinking my main bill.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Sept 16, 2016 4:17:58 GMT -6
I thought about this on my way to work this morning. Throughout the history of Talossa there's a pattern that elections are much more engaging than government. Every election, the sitting government is justly blamed for having done very little. I am very afraid that this is exactly the wrong way to go. Talossa thrives on activity and elections, not on calm maintenance of the system. Senator elections are not nearly as engaging as Cosâ elections and I doubt they would be even de-coupled from the Cosâ elections. I'm sorry. On the paper, I really like these neat suggestions, but in practice I think they are coffin nails. This is exactly why I am afraid of if we put the Senator elections in July-August, and why I want to split it in another bill, to avoid it sinking my main bill. However, I'm referring to the whole Option 2, to have the General Elections only once a year.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 16, 2016 4:42:31 GMT -6
I am not 100% sure I understand the second part. Can you elaborate? I can try, I wasn't sure how to say what I was thinking. Basically, if you're unhappy with a government, you can vote them out in the next election. But in a mid-term election, you can't vote the government out, but you can vote out politicians aligned with the government. In the US in the 2010 midterm, Republicans/Conservatives were unhappy with how the Democratic-led administration was doing, and voted out many Democrats from Congress, reflecting the views of the general public at that time.
But as we have a parliamentary system of government, the results from our Cosa elections (or more specifically, the composition of the Cosa) determines who leads the government instead of electing one person to power...and an angry public would have to wait 12 months to throw the government politicians out of office. However, if we were to implement mid-term Senate elections, Senators may be judged on how well a government is doing in the short term, rather than their positions/ideals as applied to their full two year term, because the angry public would point their pitchforks at the Senate. Eðo Grischun explained it much better above. Although, I still am a bit concerned that it will impact even the independent Senators who might be forced to take positions on specific government actions during their election. Two more, possibly addressed, unrelated concerns: What would the citizens of the other provinces, those without an election, do during these mid-terms? Would there be a more "national" focus on each Senate election rather than a provincially localized or province specific focus? Also, what would happen if a government were to fail a VoC? Would the Senate elections continue to be held on a schedule, or would they realign with the middle of an incoming government's term? If they realign, would this mean that the terms of Senators could be extended indefinitely if VoCs were to fail over and over again? If they don't realign, wouldn't it defeat the purpose of mid-term elections? The VoC issue could be fixed by incorporating Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun's VoC reform into the amendment.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 16, 2016 6:19:57 GMT -6
Yes, and I put my own attempt as a LOWER priority than his wonderful act, while not trying to copy it to not steal from his brilliant idea! To be honest, without his bill, I wouldn't have thought about this bill...
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Sept 16, 2016 9:55:52 GMT -6
What did I miss? I had forgotten my notebook cable in Berlin, and so I could not really get Talossaning. Help, please?
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 16, 2016 18:14:53 GMT -6
I don't understand how this would be an effective transition period. To implement this calendar, the last Clark of a Cosa would have to be in December, and neither of those two options accomplishes that.
Also, by "its election," do you mean the election before or after its term? That might clear things up.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 16, 2016 18:18:51 GMT -6
What did I miss? I had forgotten my notebook cable in Berlin, and so I could not really get Talossaning. Help, please? This is a discussion of mpf's idea to have a set election calendar, formatted as follows; Your VoC reform would void the concern over the possibility of a government failing a VoC (since a new election would no longer have to take place if that occurred).
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 17, 2016 3:36:20 GMT -6
I don't understand how this would be an effective transition period. To implement this calendar, the last Clark of a Cosa would have to be in December, and neither of those two options accomplishes that. Oh... you are 100% right! I wrote it not just in the place of option 1, but with option 1 in mind! Let me rephrase it!
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 17, 2016 3:42:25 GMT -6
If this amendment is ratified during the 50th Cosa Election of November/December 2016, a transition period will be applied so that the first Clark of the 50th Cosa will be in February 2017, moving each Clark forward one month (while keeping the July and August recess in place), and adding a special one time recess in December 2017.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 17, 2016 12:57:48 GMT -6
I thought about this on my way to work this morning. Throughout the history of Talossa there's a pattern that elections are much more engaging than government. Every election, the sitting government is justly blamed for having done very little. I am very afraid that this is exactly the wrong way to go. Talossa thrives on activity and elections, not on calm maintenance of the system. Senator elections are not nearly as engaging as Cosâ elections and I doubt they would be even de-coupled from the Cosâ elections. I'm sorry. On the paper, I really like these neat suggestions, but in practice I think they are coffin nails. Then, what about an election in July/August and only 4 Clark's per Cosa? That's the biggest election to Clark ratio!
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 17, 2016 12:58:48 GMT -6
I thought about this on my way to work this morning. Throughout the history of Talossa there's a pattern that elections are much more engaging than government. Every election, the sitting government is justly blamed for having done very little. I am very afraid that this is exactly the wrong way to go. Talossa thrives on activity and elections, not on calm maintenance of the system. Senator elections are not nearly as engaging as Cosâ elections and I doubt they would be even de-coupled from the Cosâ elections. I'm sorry. On the paper, I really like these neat suggestions, but in practice I think they are coffin nails. Then, what about an election in July/August and only 4 Clark's per Cosa? That's the biggest election to Clark ratio!
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 17, 2016 13:31:04 GMT -6
I thought about this on my way to work this morning. Throughout the history of Talossa there's a pattern that elections are much more engaging than government. Every election, the sitting government is justly blamed for having done very little. I am very afraid that this is exactly the wrong way to go. Talossa thrives on activity and elections, not on calm maintenance of the system. Senator elections are not nearly as engaging as Cosâ elections and I doubt they would be even de-coupled from the Cosâ elections. I'm sorry. On the paper, I really like these neat suggestions, but in practice I think they are coffin nails. Then, what about an election in July/August and only 4 Clark's per Cosa? That's the biggest election to Clark ratio! Any fewer than six Clarks (five at an absolute minimum) would not really give the government enough time to do much.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Sept 17, 2016 14:55:10 GMT -6
Then, what about an election in July/August and only 4 Clark's per Cosa? That's the biggest election to Clark ratio! Any fewer than six Clarks (five at an absolute minimum) would not really give the government enough time to do much. Agreed. I think the current system is better. I fully understand and agree that elections sometimes occur at unfortunate timnes, but so far the proposed remedies have been worse than the status quo.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 17, 2016 15:19:50 GMT -6
Then, what about an election in July/August and only 4 Clark's per Cosa? That's the biggest election to Clark ratio! Any fewer than six Clarks (five at an absolute minimum) would not really give the government enough time to do much.What about: What about: Election: January 1st to January 15th. Government forming: January 16th to January 31st Clark 1: February Clark 2 : March Clark 3: April Clark 4: May Clark 5: June, Census Election : July 1st until July 15th Government Forming: July 16th until July 31st. Clark 1 August Clark 2: September Clark 3: October Clark 4: November Clark 5: December
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