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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 31, 2016 4:34:57 GMT -6
WHEREAS UN conventions made it harder for a natural born citizen to lose its citizenship AND
WHEREAS we want to follow International conventions if possible AND
WHEREAS Natrual Born citizens are rather are
THEREFORE the Ziu resolves to put to a referendum the following change to the organic law:
Section 10 of Article 18 which currently reads:
Any citizen who neither votes in any general election nor responds to any national census established by law for a period of two years, as calculated at any Election Deadline, shall be deemed to have renounced his citizenship.
Is changed to read:
Any non-native born citizen who neither votes in any general election nor responds to any national census established by law for a period of two years, as calculated at any Election Deadline, shall be deemed to have renounced his citizenship.
Proposed by Marti-Pair Furxheir, Secrety of State
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Aug 31, 2016 5:10:27 GMT -6
WHEREAS UN conventions made it harder for a natural born citizen to lose its citizenship AND WHEREAS we want to follow International conventions if possible AND WHEREAS Natrual Born citizens are rather are THEREFORE the Ziu resolves to put to a referendum the following change to the organic law: Section 10 of Article 18 which currently reads: Any citizen who neither votes in any general election nor responds to any national census established by law for a period of two years, as calculated at any Election Deadline, shall be deemed to have renounced his citizenship. Is changed to read: Any non-native born citizen who neither votes in any general election nor responds to any national census established by law for a period of two years, as calculated at any Election Deadline, shall be deemed to have renounced his citizenship. Proposed by Marti-Pair Furxheir, Secrety of State Do you mean that dandelions will be citizens for life even if they don't vote, or just when they are under 14? This bill accomplishes the former, and that's ridiculous I think. At least after they're 18 years, natural-born citizens should be treated like everyone else. (Besides, IMHO, "native" should be reserved for Talossans born in Talossa, not children of cybercits.)
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Aug 31, 2016 5:25:48 GMT -6
WHEREAS UN conventions made it harder for a natural born citizen to lose its citizenship AND WHEREAS we want to follow International conventions if possible AND WHEREAS Natrual Born citizens are rather are THEREFORE the Ziu resolves to put to a referendum the following change to the organic law: Section 10 of Article 18 which currently reads: Any citizen who neither votes in any general election nor responds to any national census established by law for a period of two years, as calculated at any Election Deadline, shall be deemed to have renounced his citizenship. Is changed to read: Any non-native born citizen who neither votes in any general election nor responds to any national census established by law for a period of two years, as calculated at any Election Deadline, shall be deemed to have renounced his citizenship. Proposed by Marti-Pair Furxheir, Secrety of State Do you mean that dandelions will be citizens for life even if they don't vote, or just when they are under 14? This bill accomplishes the former, and that's ridiculous I think. At least after they're 18 years, natural-born citizens should be treated like everyone else. (Besides, IMHO, "native" should be reserved for Talossans born in Talossa, not children of cybercits.) I mean that for exemple, if a natural born dandelion goes away for college for 3 years, he wouldn't lose his citizenship during those 3 years... In short, they wouldn't lose their citizenship to inactivity, since they were born with it.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Aug 31, 2016 5:28:42 GMT -6
Do you mean that dandelions will be citizens for life even if they don't vote, or just when they are under 14? This bill accomplishes the former, and that's ridiculous I think. At least after they're 18 years, natural-born citizens should be treated like everyone else. (Besides, IMHO, "native" should be reserved for Talossans born in Talossa, not children of cybercits.) I mean that for exemple, if a natural born dandelion goes away for college for 3 years, he wouldn't lose his citizenship during those 3 years... In short, they wouldn't lose their citizenship to inactivity, since they were born with it. I think they have computers in college. No, put in an 18-year-old limit and I can support this. But not for life.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Aug 31, 2016 14:36:08 GMT -6
International law frowns on revocation of citizenship when it would leave someone stateless (i.e. with no nationality). That's not much of a concern for Talossa because there has never been a Talossan citizen with no other nationality, and there is not likely to be one in the foreseeable future. However, maybe we could add something to Art XVIII stating that no revocation or renunciation of citizenship will be valid if the citizen would be left stateless (unless specified exceptions apply).
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Aug 31, 2016 16:15:50 GMT -6
International law frowns on revocation of citizenship when it would leave someone stateless (i.e. with no nationality). That's not much of a concern for Talossa because there has never been a Talossan citizen with no other nationality, and there is not likely to be one in the foreseeable future. However, maybe we could add something to Art XVIII stating that no revocation or renunciation of citizenship will be valid if the citizen would be left stateless (unless specified exceptions apply). I like this. I think this hypothetical person should still have the option to voluntarily renounce his/her citizenship, but that they can't lose their citizenship because they fail to respond to a census or election, and that it can't be revoked judicially if they would become stateless.
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