Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Aug 9, 2016 21:30:30 GMT -6
I'd suggest a three-part referendum, succeeding or failing as a whole. Here's some rough language.
I. Ratification of treaty. (see text on page 7) II. Changes to constitution.
The following article shall be inserted into the Constitution of Maritiimi-Maxhestic, and succeeding article renumbered accordingly:
III. Maritiimi-Maxhestic shall be governed by a joint assembly, the terms of which shall be approved by a majority of citizens in a referendum. The laws and acts of this Joint Assembly shall be binding upon the province, except where they shall interfere with the Constitution of Maritiimi-Maxhestic or with the Organic Law. Should no joint assembly be approved by the citizens of the province, or should the governing treaty be dissolved, then governing power shall devolve to the Provincial Assembly of Maritiimi-Maxhestic, as delineated in Article IV.
III. Initial set-up of Joint Assembly.
I. Pursuant to the terms of the treaty with Vuode, the initial make-up of the Maritiimi-Maxhestic delegation to the Joint Assembly shall be as follows: all parties shall proceed through the customary process of winning and assigning seats, as detailed in the Constitution. Chosen members of the Assembly shall then serve as delegates to the Joint Assembly, and the Grand General Secretary shall serve as Tribune for Maritiimi-Maxhestic.
Post by Ian Plätschisch on Aug 15, 2016 19:54:38 GMT -6
What happens to the laws that each province has already passed? I was working on an updated Body of Law Act which would include all of our laws (like el Lexhatx; we had discussed this earlier), but that might be moot depending on how Vuode's pre-existing laws are incorporated into our laws, and how new laws would be incorporated.
V: If one takes issue with the current Covenants - I would support a rewrite to clean them up.
Feb 10, 2019 17:36:13 GMT -6
V: But that said, this argument that if we adopted the new Org Law and the Covenants, it would be inorganic is lost when we consider that by adopting the new org law, we relinquish the shackles of the old Org Law.
Feb 10, 2019 17:37:05 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: You have some good points. To be sure, the longevity and tradition of the OrgLaw make it (and us) stand out from other, similar, places. But your argument here in this thread basically boils down to "it's too cumbersome." And that's not true.
Feb 10, 2019 20:02:08 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: The new proposal is just as cumbersome and complicated, except where it has omissions that will need to be remedied. Even leaving aside the fatal flaws, it's not an improvement in this way, except for the lack of "holes."
Feb 10, 2019 20:03:20 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: Ultimately, the same amount of effort spent amending the current OrgLaw would have had equal or superior effect to coming up with a new system of government, plus it wouldn't have trashed the old one to which we swore an oath.
Feb 10, 2019 20:04:18 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: And finally, the entire process is being performed by the legislative process as normal, which means it is part of that process. Elevating new supreme documents so easily should not be possible, since that is dangerous and ill-conceived.
Feb 10, 2019 20:05:35 GMT -6
V: Not really - in effect- we're amending the prior org law by repealing all aspects of it and passing adopting new sections. So yoi can keep your longevity.
Feb 10, 2019 20:28:07 GMT -6
Ian Plätschisch: Yeah, the whole reason we aren't calling it "The 2019 Organic Law" is because you convinced us not to
Feb 10, 2019 20:46:13 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: So... if you agree with me, why the argument? Yes, we're doing it entirely within the frame of the current Organic Law, passing a massive amendment to install a new constitution in its shell. Good, I guess, although this is a weird conversation.
Feb 10, 2019 22:02:41 GMT -6
Sir Alexandreu Davinescu: I am comforted by the fact that this probably won't pass referendum, but why run in circles like the above? Let's just be straightforward.
Feb 10, 2019 22:03:58 GMT -6
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