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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Apr 19, 2016 17:24:28 GMT -6
- Whether or not Provinces by entering in a political union and functioning de facto as a single Province, with a peculiar internal organisation, for all that regard local government do infringe upon the right of equal representation in the Senate of the citizens of the other Provinces; i.e.: as keeping 2 senators is the only substantial difference between a political union and a single province, should be this considered inorganic as infringing upon the rights of equal representation? I have said it before: the day after this agreement is passed, Vuode will have the same number of citizens, the same cultural heritage, the same individual self-interest, the same "equal sovereignty" under the OrgLaw, and the same right to national representation.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Apr 28, 2016 18:31:29 GMT -6
So, where we at?
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Apr 28, 2016 20:51:33 GMT -6
At my desk, currently
I'm good to go, although I would like to see a final draft which takes into account our discussions since the last draft (I would try to do so myself, but I am short on time as of current)
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Apr 28, 2016 21:33:28 GMT -6
Here is the current agreement as per my latest draft. I added a clause about when it would come into effect, but at least in M-M, it will need to be accompanied by a separate referendum, altering our constitution appropriately. I'd suggest if everyone is happy with this agreement, that the next step is then for each individual province to craft the respective legal changes that will make it possible. Then in the next election, each province will pass their own two-part bills making the legal changes and establishing the agreement (a single vote for both effects, to prevent the weird possibility of the voters approving the agreement but not the changes to the constitution and thus establishing parallel governing apparatuses).
That's only if we can all live with the agreement. Making sure we're all on board with it is the first thing and most important, since making changes later will get a lot harder.
A. The Province of Maritiimi-Maxhestic of the Kingdom of Talossa and the United Provinces of Vuode and Dandenburg of the same do hereby form a political and legal compact of cooperation for the purposes of creating a joint and equitable political and legal union. This union shall henceforth be known as the Confederated Provinces of Maritiimi, Vuode, Maxhestic, and Dandenburg.
B. This agreement does not remove or alter the sovereign rights or authority of either the Province of Maritiimi-Maxhestic or the United Provinces of Vuode and Dandenburg as granted by the 1997 Organic Law of the Kingdom of Talossa. Both provinces shall retain their individual identity, character, culture, and other distinctive aspects, and it is affirmed that this agreement is exclusively an instrument of local governance freely contracted by both provinces.
C. This agreement shall provide for the creation of an assembly composed of members representing both provinces, unified in one legislative and executive body that shall be known as the Joint Assembly of the Confederation of Maritiimi, Vuode, Maxhestic, and Dandenburg.
D. The exact procedures for initial election to the Joint Assembly shall be determined by mutual agreement of the individual legislatures of the Province of Maritiimi-Maxhestic and the United Provinces of Vuode and Dandenburg. Thereafter, the Joint Assembly shall establish and maintain its own election procedures.
E. All laws and regulations enacted by the Joint Assembly shall ensure equal treatment for all citizens.
F. No laws or regulations enacted by the Joint Assembly shall contradict any part of the 1997 Organic Law of the Kingdom of Talossa, or else same laws and regulations shall be voided to the extent of the contradiction.
G. In addition to those representatives elected to the Joint Assembly, both Provinces shall at the same time each independently select a Tribune of Equity, charged with ensuring the just and fair representation of their Province and safeguarding the rights of their respective citizenry. These Tribunes shall each separately have the power to veto any law or regulation enacted by the Joint Assembly within a fortnight of its passage. Such a veto may only be overturned if the Joint Assembly passes the same law or regulation with a supermajority of votes.
H. This union shall never restrict freedom of trade, navigation, or movement between the individual and sovereign provinces of Maritiimi-Maxhestic, and Vuode.
I. This agreement shall come into effect upon passage by both signatory provinces and upon ratification of independent supermajorities of the citizens of each of the separate provinces.
J. This agreement shall remain in effect in perpetuity in so long as the citizenry of both provinces so wish. This agreement may be rescinded by popular referendum by a supermajority of either province at any stage, without prejudice nor penalty nor ill-will.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Apr 29, 2016 4:15:13 GMT -6
Points I and J still use the word 'treaty'. Once in point I and twice in point J.
Should this be altered?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Apr 29, 2016 5:09:27 GMT -6
Ah, good point! I'll change that
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on May 6, 2016 11:09:16 GMT -6
Anything else anyone sees that they want to change?
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on May 7, 2016 14:45:54 GMT -6
Soon. I am down with a nasty cold, and my (very young, mind you!) mother (of forty years’ age) fell ill and had to undergo surgery on Wednesday. I will be back with you soonishly.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on May 7, 2016 14:58:40 GMT -6
Anything else anyone sees that they want to change? No, unless we want to include in the Agreement a provision making the tribunes the ceremonial executives of their provinces. If that will be established later, then it looks good
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on May 7, 2016 15:24:04 GMT -6
Soon. I am down with a nasty cold, and my (very young, mind you!) mother (of forty years’ age) fell ill and had to undergo surgery on Wednesday. I will be back with you soonishly. I hope she feels better soon!
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Post by Eðo Grischun on May 7, 2016 20:55:05 GMT -6
Rather busy at the moment outside of Talossa. I've just signed a lease for new business premises and am up to my eyes in legal paperwork and sawdust and paint fumes with the renovation and remodeling works. Not to mention keeping up with already existing workload and appointments.
I am in total agreement with the terms of this agreement as last edited.
There is plenty of time, I think, for the individual provinces to take things back home and deal with the local side of things. When things calm down for me, I'll take things to Vuode and open some kind of convention to draft out the constitutional changes that need to be made for our agreement to become live.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Aug 8, 2016 20:51:39 GMT -6
BUMP
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Aug 9, 2016 11:23:26 GMT -6
Well, I'm happy with this.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Aug 9, 2016 13:37:57 GMT -6
Well, I'm happy with this. I have had very little time this summer to look; would anything in the MM Constitution need modified before we ratified this treaty?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Aug 9, 2016 15:58:14 GMT -6
Yes, if it gets ratified, we'll need to change a few elements of the Constitution.
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