Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Jun 6, 2016 12:16:37 GMT -6
And since that's a majority of 7 out of 11 for it, we can consider the Judiciary Act of 2016 passed by the Assembly and sent to the Senate, though of course anybody else who wants to go on the record is welcome to cast their votes.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Jun 6, 2016 13:26:15 GMT -6
I shall vote Per as well.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Jun 16, 2016 9:19:57 GMT -6
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jun 17, 2016 11:32:32 GMT -6
I don't support the act in the form it has been presented, and will not vote for it as it stands. The bill had been amended twice, as seen here: talossa.proboards.com/thread/10711/rough-draft?page=1, and I would support it if the amendments will be reflected in the final draft.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Jun 19, 2016 8:41:55 GMT -6
Sorry, pasted from the wrong copy. With the Assembly's kind permission, I would like to introduce the bill as ammended. ---
WHEREAS the King has long ignored the requests of the Benitian people in regards to our inactive Cunstaval, refusing even to respond to them, and
WHEREAS the King has set a precedent of using linguistic loopholes in the Organic Law to squelch the will of the people, and
WHEREAS such loopholes could also be used to enact the will of the people, and
WHEREAS Article 1 of the Constitution of the Sovereign Province of Benito states that "The Sovereign Province of Benito is an autonomous and self-governing member of the federal Talossan nation" and,
WHEREAS Article XVII, Section 5 of the Organic Law of the Kingdom of Talossa states that "Provinces are Cantons (or groups thereof) which are self-governing and autonomous" and,
WHEREAS "Sovereign" is defined as "one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere" and,
WHEREAS "Autonomous" is defined as "existing or acting separately from other things or people" and,
WHEREAS that means the Sovereign Province of Benito exercises supreme authority within the province of Benito and is empowered to act seperately from other entities,
THEREFORE:
Article 1 of the Constitution of the Sovereign Province of Benito, which currently reads: "The Sovereign Province of Benito is an autonomous and self-governing member of the federal Talossan nation and pledges eternal allegiance to His Royal Majesty, and the Regipäts Talossan." is amended to read: "The Sovereign Province of Benito is an autonomous and self-governing member of the federal Talossan nation and pledges eternal allegiance to Talossa."
AND,
Article 10 of the Constitution of the Sovereign Province of Benito, which currently reads: "A Chancellor may be removed from their seat in the Provincial Chancellery following conviction by the Cort pü Inalt, Dismissal from the Talossan Military, death, incapacitation or failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions. Removal shall not be automatic. Following one or more of these incidents, any member of the Provincial Chancellery may present a Writ of Impeachment at the next legislative session which shall clearly state for which of the aforementioned reasons a Chancellor should be removed. The Writ shall be authorized upon receiving a 3/5 majority vote and then presented to the applicable party leader by the Maestro. Political Parties will have until the next session or 30 calendar days, whichever is greater, to fill vacant seats. Any seats left vacant after such time will be turned over to the Viceré for distribution." is amended to read: "A Chancellor may be removed from their seat in the Provincial Chancellery following conviction by the Cort pü Inalt, Dismissal from the Talossan Military, death, incapacitation or failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions. Removal shall not be automatic. Following one or more of these incidents, any member of the Provincial Chancellery may present a Writ of Impeachment at the next legislative session which shall clearly state for which of the aforementioned reasons a Chancellor should be removed. The Writ shall be authorized upon receiving a 3/5 majority vote and then presented to the applicable party leader by the Maestro. Political Parties will have until the next session or 30 calendar days, whichever is greater, to fill vacant seats. Any seats left vacant after such time will be turned over to the Maestro for distribution."
AND,
Article 13 of the Constitution of the Sovereign Province of Benito, which currently reads: "The Viceré, or Viceroy is the representative of the King of Talossa, and as such, shall have veto power over all laws of the Chancellery. The Viceré is appointed by the King pursuant to Organic Law. While the King may freely appoint a Viceré, it is the preference of the citizens of the Province of Benito that the Viceré be a citizen of the Province for at least one year prior to appointment." is repealed.
AND,
Article 14 of the Constitution of the Sovereign Province of Benito, which currently reads: "A veto by the Viceré may be overridden by a 3/5 majority vote of the Provincial Chancellery." is repealed.
AND,
Article 21 of the Constitution of the Sovereign Province of Benito, which currently reads: "So that no conflict of interest may occur, or that no one individual may take over the province in a hostile attempt, no-one may hold more than one of the offices of Maestro, Viceré, or Noval Representanteu simultaneously. The Viceré also may not hold seats in the Provincial Chancellery." is amended to read: "So that no conflict of interest may occur, or that no one individual may take over the province in a hostile attempt, no-one may hold more than one of the offices of Maestro or Noval Representanteu simultaneously."
AND,
Article 24 of the Constitution of the Sovereign Province of Benito, which currently reads: "This Constitution may be altered by a resolution of the Provincial Chancellery, which must be approved by a referendum of the people attaining the favour of three-fifths of those who vote and promulgated by the Viceré." is amended to read: "This Constitution may be altered by a resolution of the Provincial Chancellery, which must be approved by a referendum of the people attaining the favour of three-fifths of those who vote."
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Jun 19, 2016 14:20:18 GMT -6
Okay, in that case we'll go back to debate, on the replacement version above, with the vote penciled in for a week from now.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jun 26, 2016 9:15:34 GMT -6
No problem with this version.
By the way, we never held any referenda pursuant to Article 24 when we amended the Constitution. Could I propose a settlement? After passing this bill: - We amend the Constitution one final time stripping the requirement for a referendum if an amendment passes the Chancellery with 2/3 of Ayes in both houses - We hold a referendum over the Constitution as amended in these years so that all amendments that passed in the past years are officially law - If the referendum passes, the 2/3 provision is also law and a referendum will not be needed in the future, most of the times
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Jun 26, 2016 16:15:16 GMT -6
It's now been a week, so voting on the above amendment is now open. Voting will close in another week.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Jun 26, 2016 17:27:49 GMT -6
I vote Per
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Post by Iason Bitxichë Taiwos on Jun 27, 2016 16:25:42 GMT -6
I vote per as well.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Jun 28, 2016 21:15:50 GMT -6
No problem with this version. By the way, we never held any referenda pursuant to Article 24 when we amended the Constitution. Could I propose a settlement? After passing this bill: - We amend the Constitution one final time stripping the requirement for a referendum if an amendment passes the Chancellery with 2/3 of Ayes in both houses - We hold a referendum over the Constitution as amended in these years so that all amendments that passed in the past years are officially law - If the referendum passes, the 2/3 provision is also law and a referendum will not be needed in the future, most of the times I can agree to all of this. Since we will also need to amend the constitution to give our judicial system original jurisdiction.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jun 29, 2016 9:54:17 GMT -6
Për from me as well
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Jul 3, 2016 15:42:34 GMT -6
Let's see, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 1, 2 . . . voting closed yesterday, and the vote is 6-0 in favor of the amendment.
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