Debating recommendations re. Iustì C.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

The issue that "but Justin won't be present for his trial" is irrelevant. We can appoint a Public Defender for him (or for McGarry, or any other defendant currently Breaking Rocks In The Hot Sun). That would give such people all the benefits of a fair trial.

[Lüc da Schir]

Feb 22, 2016 15:51:12 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

The issue that "but Justin won't be present for his trial" is irrelevant. We can appoint a Public Defender for him (or for McGarry, or any other defendant currently Breaking Rocks In The Hot Sun). That would give such people all the benefits of a fair trial.

Isn't McGarry already an ex-citizen?

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

I honestly don't know, but if he is, then fine, we don't need to go after him as well.

[Munditenens Tresplet]

Feb 22, 2016 15:47:46 GMT -6 Lüc da Schir said:

Feb 22, 2016 15:38:11 GMT -6 Munditenens Tresplet said:

Third, I think that anything which unilaterally revokes citizenship would violate OrgLaw. Perhaps there should be a mechanism that allows a UC justice to require that the offending citizen's information be purged from all government websites, his Witt account be suspended indefinitely, etc., along with a mechanism for appealing the decision to the full court. Still technically a citizen (until they strike out, assuming they are in prison), but unable to participate on any government sponsored or affiliated board. We should also make it a requirement for prospective citizens to be checked against sex offender databases, if such a database exists in their country of origin.

Agreed on the first section, but I think that, regarding the latter part of your post, prospective citizens should always receive some kind of background check, not only against sex related crimes. I do believe that right now there are certain "triggers" which can prompt immigration officials to block an application. Which by the way happened not too long ago.

I am all for civil liberties, but preventing is better than curing. Hence, a rapid background check (even simply Googling one's full name) should always be desirable.

Googling someone's name isn't a background check, though I suppose I agree it is better than nothing. Complete background checks cost money, however, and it would be impractical to run one for each person who fills out an application. Searching sex offender databases on the other hand, at least in the States, is almost always free to do.

[Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN]

Feb 22, 2016 15:25:59 GMT -6 Owen Edwards said:

Good faith in reaching him is the issue. We can always send him a letter in prison.

You'll find him at:

Ruben M. Torres Unit, 125 Private Road 4303, Hondo, TX 78861

till at least 18/03/2040

[Eðo Grischun]

The problem with background checks is that for some countries you still wouldn't find the information out.

For example, the UK. Only law authorities can view the sex offender register. It's not open to public viewing.

[Owen Edwards]

That's not really the point - it's about due diligence. We need to do the best we reasonably can.

[Eðo Grischun]

Feb 22, 2016 18:02:09 GMT -6 Owen Edwards said:

That's not really the point - it's about due diligence. We need to do the best we reasonably can.

Of course.

I'm all for that. It's quite an easy law to write then.

"The Chancery will grant citizenship after a petition for citizenship has ben made and when the Chancery is satisfied all due diligence has took place in satisfying the prospective citizen is a real person and is of good standing in his extra-Talossan affairs".

Yeah?

[Owen Edwards]

Yeah, something like that would do.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Feb 22, 2016 16:46:27 GMT -6 Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN said:

Feb 22, 2016 15:25:59 GMT -6 Owen Edwards said:

Good faith in reaching him is the issue. We can always send him a letter in prison.

You'll find him at:

Ruben M. Torres Unit, 125 Private Road 4303, Hondo, TX 78861

till at least 18/03/2040

Oh good, we can write to him to tell him that everything has come out and all the things he's been stripped of.

Sorry if that sounds frivolous. I do believe that even the worst offenders can repent and turn themselves around, and those people who were Cannon's friends should probably keep in touch for that reason.

[Eðo Grischun]

Feb 22, 2016 19:12:20 GMT -6 Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN said:

Feb 22, 2016 16:46:27 GMT -6 Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN said:

You'll find him at:

Ruben M. Torres Unit, 125 Private Road 4303, Hondo, TX 78861

till at least 18/03/2040

Oh good, we can write to him to tell him that everything has come out and all the things he's been stripped of.

Sorry if that sounds frivolous. I do believe that even the worst offenders can repent and turn themselves around, and those people who were Cannon's friends should probably keep in touch for that reason.

I believe this too.

Rehabilitation is possible.

[Lüc da Schir]

To the Senator for Fiovâ in particular, would introducing her proposed legislation about bringing Talossa into disrepute immediately through a PD be considered Organic re. prosecuting Canun in the UC?

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Feb 23, 2016 4:05:37 GMT -6 Lüc da Schir said:

To the Senator for Fiovâ in particular, would introducing her proposed legislation about bringing Talossa into disrepute immediately through a PD be considered Organic re. prosecuting Canun in the UC?

I am not the Senator for Fiôvâ, but that is a tremendously bad idea, and I will not stand for such legislation being introduced by PD.

[Eðo Grischun]

What Epic said.

[Eðo Grischun]

What Epic said.