[Royal Commission] Public Suggestions Box

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

The Chair of the RCOR is on holiday and I was going to ask him to do this before now, but I forgot. So I'll do it myself and hope no-one is offended.

In this thread, post anything that you think the RCOR should take notice of - your own suggestions for OrgLaw reform, comments on current debates, things you've spotted. Arguing with one another would probably be out of bounds, but that's for the Chair to decide.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Azul, I wanted to direct the attention of the commission members to something said by Eðo Grischun while speaking as a guest at the MRPT convention:
I hope I'm not quoting him out of context. It's a thought that I believe the commission would be wise to consider.

"I think at the first stage, the Commission should be holding an open public consultation. They should create a survey of sorts and gather as much data as possible from the entire citizenry. That way they will know what changes to make to the Organic Law that would be in line with the thoughts and feelings of the Nation."

[Ian Plätschisch]

Jan 10, 2016 7:46:49 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

"I think at the first stage, the Commission should be holding an open public consultation. They should create a survey of sorts and gather as much data as possible from the entire citizenry. That way they will know what changes to make to the Organic Law that would be in line with the thoughts and feelings of the Nation."

I like this idea.  However, I have a concern that a string of Witt polls would not reach very many people, and that constant email surveys would get annoying and people wouldn't do them

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Jan 10, 2016 8:31:05 GMT -6 Ian Plätschisch said:

Jan 10, 2016 7:46:49 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

"I think at the first stage, the Commission should be holding an open public consultation. They should create a survey of sorts and gather as much data as possible from the entire citizenry. That way they will know what changes to make to the Organic Law that would be in line with the thoughts and feelings of the Nation."

I like this idea.  However, I have a concern that a string of Witt polls would not reach very many people, and that constant email surveys would get annoying and people wouldn't do them

For this, the Telecomuna would be perfect: if we already had it, we could set up a board or subboard, and maybe there could be a function of specific subscriptions to boards, so that when a new poll is posted in that RCOL-board, the subscribers would receive an e-mail notification.

But alas, alas...

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Well the redo bill for the original bill has April as the new launch date. I should really put up a Terp asking about what the Seneschal's done on establishing a timeline.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Jan 10, 2016 21:23:14 GMT -6 Sir Alexandreu Davinescu said:

Well the redo bill for the original bill has April as the new launch date. I should really put up a Terp asking about what the Seneschal's done on establishing a timeline.

Oh, but... you can't: the Cosă is dissolved. And I am not sure Senators could, either.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Ah, you're right! A Senator could, but I couldn't.

Well, it's okay. I'll just have to trust the Seneschal to get it done.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Azul commission members,

it does not seem the public consultation idea has been really discussed internally yet. Is there a chance thay might still happen.

Anyway, here's something else you should consider: talossa.proboards.com/thread/11246/discuss?page=1

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

I think that public consultation should start in earnest once we just get through this initial "për/contrâ/modify" stage.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Esteemed Commissioners,

I have a few suggestions, which I would like for you to consider.

Damă Miestrâ Schivâ's proposals
Firstly, I would like to criticise the fact that according to the good Dame's changes, UC Justices apparently cannot be reappointed to a second term. Why not leave them in Office if they want to do so? It's not like we have a plethora of willing Lawyers to serve as Justices.

Secondly, I would like to criticise the fact that PDs cannot override the Lexhatx. Instead, we may want to set specific rules to the PD, firstly that the Prime Minister cannot change the laws concerning the PD by means of such a Prime Dictate, and then specify which laws cannot be changed by Prime Dictates. And maybe make it easier for Prime Dictates overriding El Lexhatx to be halted by the Ziu.

Vote of Confidence
I have seen that at least three Commissioners want to introduce an abstention to the vote of confidence. I would like to go further and submit to the Royal Commission an Amendment to the Organic Law, which I have not Hoppered out of respect for this Commission's work. I would very much like a feedback, or that the Commissioners discuss this publicly. I will include it hereinunder:

WHEREAS Votes of No Confidence occur seldom in other countries, and
WHEREAS such Votes of No Confidence are cause for a lot of turmoil, trouble, and thus carry significance, and
WHEREAS many countries have safeguards against the abuse of the Vote of Confidence, and
WHEREAS the Constitution of the German Reich (commonly known as the “Weimar Republic”) had a similar destructive Vote of Confidence, which essentially made way for the semi-democratic takeover by Adolf Hitler, and
WHEREAS in Talossa, Votes of (No) Confidence are regular part of the voting system, and just a tool of protest for derrière-bruised parties, or merely a “static opinion”, and
WHEREAS Votes of (No) Confidence should really not be popped like candy, now
THEREFORE be it known that the Ziu commend to the Citizenry following amendment of the Organic Law:

Org.XIII:6, which currently reads:

Vote of Confidence. The Clark must contain, in every edition, a Vote of Confidence. This reads as follows: "Do you wish the current Government to continue in its term of office?" Each MC must answer this question in his Clark ballot every month, either with a "yes" or a "no." If at the end of any month the "no" vote outnumbers the "yes" vote, the King shall dissolve the Cosâ and call new elections.

shall be struck in full, and replaced by:

Constructive Vote of No Confidence. The Ziu may express its lack of confidence in the Prime Minister only by electing a successor with the support of an absolute majority of the members of either house respectively. The King must accede to the request, and must replace the Prime Minister with the person named in the Constructive Vote of No Confidence.

Org.XI:6, which currently reads:

Should a petition supported by members of the Cosa holding more than half the seats therein be presented to the Crown instructing the King to replace the Seneschal, the King shall accede to the petition, and shall replace the Seneschal with any specific person named in the petition, or, lacking any specific recommendation for a successor, with any person who the Crown believes will command the confidence of the Cosa.

shall be struck from the Organic Law.

Org.XI:2, which currently reads:

The King appoints the Seneschal. If a single party occupies a majority of the seats in the Cosâ, the King shall choose as PM whichever individual shall be designated by that party. If no single party has a majority, the King shall appoint a Seneschál after consulting party leaders with the objective of finding a PM who can be sustained in subsequent Votes of Confidence by a majority of seats in the Cosâ. The King must appoint a new Seneschál or announce the continuation of the incumbent in office within one month of the end of elections, or, if after one month no candidate can be appointed with the support of a Cosa majority, dissolve the Cosa after the first Clark and call for new elections.

shall be amended to read:

The King appoints the Prime Minister. If a single party occupies a majority of the seats in the Cosă, the King shall choose as Prime Minister whichever individual shall be designated by that party. If no single party has a majority, the King shall appoint a Prime Minister after consulting party leaders with the objective of finding a Prime Minister who can be supported by the parties, and who can lead the Government with such sufficient support that a Constructive Vote of No Confidence be not adopted by the Ziu. The King must appoint a new Prime Minister or announce the continuation of the incumbent in office within one month of the end of elections, or, if after one month no candidate can be appointed with the support of a Cosă majority, dissolve the Cosă after the first Clark, and call for new elections.

FURTHERMORE, following new Sections shall be added to the Organic Law:

Org.XIII:7 shall be added, reading:

A Constructive Vote of No Confidence may be hoppered no later than five days before the next Clark, wherein it shall be published. All members of the Ziu, including the Senäts, must vote on such a Constructive Vote of No Confidence with either “për”, or with a word to that effect, thereby agreeing to dismiss the incumbent Prime Minister, and replacing him or her with the person specified on the motion, or with “contra”, or with a word to that effect, thereby demonstrating confidence in the incumbent Prime Minister. The King, or his Consort, or a Regent during his regency, must not introduce a Constructive Vote of No Confidence, must not vote on the motion, and must not veto such a motion. Further stipulations found in this Organic Law, or other bodies of law of the Kingdom of Talossa, regarding the Hoppering and Clarking of bills, shall not apply to the Constructive Vote of No Confidence.

Org.XII:10 shall be included, reading:

Vote of No Confidence for Ministers. The Ziu may express its lack of confidence in any Cabinet Minister by means of a Destructive Vote of Confidence with the support of an absolute majority of the members of either house respectively. Following the successful adoption of such a Destructive Vote of Confidence against a Cabinet Minister, the Prime Minister must advise the King to dismiss the affected Minister, and replace the position with another citizen pursuant to the Prime Minister's advice, as specified in Article XII, Section 1 of this present Organic Law.

MOREOVER, should the Citizenry ratify the Organic Law amendments found in this bill, following sections of El Lexhatx shall be amended to reflect the new situation on Votes of (No) Confidence:

Lexh:H.3.1., currently reading:

3.1. A person who is named as a Proxy Vote for another in a Living Cosâ is under the moral and legal obligation, whenever possible, to represent the original seat-holder's wishes and intentions on specific Ziu bills and the Vote of Confidence, whenever and however he is instructed or publicly notified to do so. (24RZ44)

shall be amended to read:

3.1. A person who is named as a Proxy Vote for another in a Living Cosă is under the moral, and legal obligation, whenever possible, to represent the original seat-holder’s wishes, and intentions on specific Ziu bills, and on any possible Constructive Vote of No Confidence, which may or may not occur, whenever and however he is instruced, or publicly notified, to do so. (24RZ44)

And Lexh:H.5., which reads:

The Secretary of State will punish all Members of the Cosâ who cast invalid votes in the Vote of Confidence; the punishment being the declaration of said member's votes in the same Clark as null and void. (23RZ39)

shall be amended to read:

The Secretary of State will punish all Ziu members who cast invalid votes in a Constructive Vote of No Confidence; the punishment being the declaration of said members’ votes in the same Clark as null and void. (23RZ39)

Uréu q'estadra så: Magniloqueu Épiqeu Ac'hlerglünä da Lhiun (Senator-MRPT to Maritiimi-Maxhestic)

Direct Democracy
I had proposed in the last Cosă an Amendment that would allow the Citizenry to force the Ziu to vote upon a submitted bill, or Organic Law amendment. I would very much like for the Royal Commission to debate whether introducing such a tool for Direct Democracy is feasible.

Thank you for hearing me.

/s/ Senator da Lhiun, from Maritiimi-Maxhestic

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă, just a heads-up about my suggestions above (because I know this thread has fallen into disuse).

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

Also:

DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE GODDAMNED CUNSTAVALSQÅB

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

I'm trying but Ian P told me not to