Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Dec 20, 2015 13:17:58 GMT -6
I echo the remarks of my colleague Ian Platschisch in announcing my resignations from all the posts I am currently holding in the Cabinet. There isn't much more to say, really, other than that it's a really sad but unavoidable way to end an experience that should really have ended months ago when I first started being overloaded with extraTalossan school-related stuff. It's really been regrettable that our allies have decided to spend the last month washing the Cabinet's dirty clothes publicly, but we as a party can say we're walking out of this term in Government with our heads held high knowing we've been loyal to our coalition partners until the very last days of the 48th Cosa.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
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Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 20, 2015 14:20:18 GMT -6
Can I just ask a question, though? The RUMP leader has been screaming blue murder over the non-performance of the government in - coincidence! - the very areas in which the ModRad and Prog ministers have been responsible. Can we just confirm whether you will be happy to prop him up as Seneschál in the next term? Because if so it proves that AD is unbelievably dishonest - he doesn't care that you guys haven't done your jobs, only whether it's a convenient stick to bash people with.
AD doesn't care about the Government's failure, he just wanted to destroy the Government. He's probably more than happy to accept the support of the very people who caused the failure, if it defeats the really dangerous party, the party which has done virtually everything for at least the last two months.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Dec 20, 2015 14:43:24 GMT -6
The FDT had no problems accepting the support of the MRPT. Hyperbolic election rhetoric, no problem, but drawing any conclusions from your own remarks, not really... But does this mean you would rule out doing the same next term?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 20, 2015 14:55:25 GMT -6
My attitude is that the Free Democrats (stop using that annoying acronym, we're the FreeDems for short) should not be involved in a coalition next time, but go for a single-party minority or majority government, or else sit on the crossbenches. However, we're still debating that.
I must say that personally I would not be in favour of including ModRad ministers next time given their performance this time; but as for "accepting support from ModRads on the crossbench", that would be up to you, and I hope you'd make your decision based on program, competence and personality, rather than personal spite.
Can I also express my disappointment with the idea that the FreeDems have been washing dirty laundry in public? Simply not true. Every time the Press or the RUMP have invited me to throw the ModRads or the Progs under a bus, I've said "no comment". I must say, though, that I'm disappointed at the seeming attempt to make the ModRads the wronged party. Did you expect Carlüs to, for example, defend the fact that the ModRad Minister of Stuff has simply ceased to exist, and that we couldn't replace him because that would upset the Coalition balance?
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Dec 20, 2015 14:58:47 GMT -6
So, basically, AD accepting support from the MRPT would prove that he is unbelievably dishonest, but you doing the same is still an option?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 20, 2015 15:03:54 GMT -6
Let me rephrase that. What I meant is "AD inviting the ModRads into a coalition would be unbelievably dishonest". Accepting ModRad support for a RUMP minority government would not be anything wrong, from AD's point of view. It would mean a distressing lack of judgment from the ModRads, of course.
To be more precise: the FreeDems will be fighting the next election on a program of creating a competent, consistently active government of the best people for the job regardless of partisanship (but serving under a FreeDem Seneschál and at his/her pleasure). A RUMP cabinet would be... what? AD and Cresti, two competent and hard-working Talossans, then who? Perhaps Capt. Preston or Sir Trotxâ might come out of retirement if their party gets into power again, but that would only highlight them sulking like Achilles in his tent after they were de-Senatorified. The RUMP don't have the active and capable personnel, just a cadre of barely active voters. Think about that before you put them into power.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 20, 2015 15:09:28 GMT -6
To stave off future ambiguity: even though I would oppose any coalition, I wouldn't consider it impossible that certain individual ModRads might be invited to serve in a FreeDem-led cabinet. More likely yourself, Glüc - if you were keen - or others not tainted by the serial ball-dropping which bedevilled the current Government. Same goes for the Progs. I would certainly be in favour of at least considering one or more individual RUMPers, but I don't know whether they'd be up for it.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Dec 20, 2015 15:09:40 GMT -6
So this means, you are ruling out a FDT-MRPT coalition, right?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 20, 2015 15:11:36 GMT -6
So this means, you are ruling out a FDT-MRPT coalition, right? I'm not the Party Leader, so I can't rule anything out, and the debate within the party is still ongoing. I am saying that I would certainly not be in favour of any coalition government next time. Coalition politics have tended to lead to paralysis over the last few terms.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Dec 20, 2015 15:14:55 GMT -6
To stave off future ambiguity: even though I would oppose any coalition, I wouldn't consider it impossible that certain individual ModRads might be invited to serve in a FreeDem-led cabinet. More likely yourself, Glüc - if you were keen - or others not tainted by the serial ball-dropping which bedevilled the current Government. Same goes for the Progs. I would certainly be in favour of at least considering one or more individual RUMPers, but I don't know whether they'd be up for it. I'm not sure I'd be willing to serve under a single party government that would, if my performance dissappoints, not thank me for my service and replace me, but rather publicly blame me for not just disappointing at my own ministry, but weighing them down as well. But Im guessing that doesnt really matter, as I probably will be too busy either way.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 20, 2015 15:20:23 GMT -6
Your speech in the Ziu was completely bogus, Glüc. A PM who has been "barely visible"? Right up until about two weeks ago, C. Carlüs Xheraltescù was full-steam-ahead leading this government; while the Distáin has simply not even participated in the work of the Government for something like a month. As to the Minister for STUFF, you just slide over the fact that we couldn't replace him because he was a ModRad and that would ruin the partisan balance of the Cabinet!!! Are you trying to ape Davinescu in the "retailing falsehoods for political advantage" stakes? What this boils down to is that you are feeling personally piqued because the Seneschál lost patience with your party's do-nothing cabinet ministers. Presumably we should have shut up and accepted responsibility for your side doing nothing; while our side were overworking themselves trying to compensate. And it seems that now you're leaning to putting Davinescu into power just to spite us? To give an example: I am NOT A LAWYER, as Davinescu keeps reminding me, and I had no wish to be A-G. But I had to take over because there was no alternative. I have sacrificed valuable leisure time and a small portion of my sanity in this job for several weeks now. But - to quote an internet meme - I STILL DID MY JOB. If cxhn. Pinátsch, for example, had even told the Cabinet or anyone else that he was going to have to drop out of Talossan activity, we could have replaced him and moved on. But as it stood, his disappearance would have required the Seneschál to fire him, which would have caused inter-party ructions within the Cabinet. It's a question of personal integrity.
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Dec 20, 2015 15:20:47 GMT -6
I echo the remarks of my colleague Ian Platschisch in announcing my resignations from all the posts I am currently holding in the Cabinet. There isn't much more to say, really, other than that it's a really sad but unavoidable way to end an experience that should really have ended months ago when I first started being overloaded with extraTalossan school-related stuff. It's really been regrettable that our allies have decided to spend the last month washing the Cabinet's dirty clothes publicly, but we as a party can say we're walking out of this term in Government with our heads held high knowing we've been loyal to our coalition partners until the very last days of the 48th Cosa. Lüc, Are the rest if your MCs planning on following Ian Plätschsisch and voting against confidence? Does this mean that the party has come to a consensus on the question of coalition? Miestrâ, will CCX be making a statement? Will the now vacant positions be filled?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 20, 2015 15:25:31 GMT -6
CCX has stupid amounts of work going on in other portions of his life right now; which is why he retired as FreeDems leader and will not be taking a major role in the next Cabinet. Meanwhile, our new leader has also had to take time off for personal issues. But rest assured I'd told both of them what's going on and hopefully they'll be available to respond soon.
I personally don't object to the ModRads breaking the coalition so we can have the arguments in public; but let them be honest arguments. Let's not start making stuff up to cover our own personal feelings of pique because our allies got tired of covering for our ball-dropping.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Dec 20, 2015 15:25:39 GMT -6
My impression is that the two people who just resigned did actually do quite a bit of work this term. Ian has been helping out at two of the more succesful ministries and is responsible for pushing various points of the coalition agenda in the Cosa and Lüc Ive seen taking on an important court case, making statements on witt, proposing a budget, taking over for minfin and at least trying, though not succeeding to keep the coins project alive.
And the foreign ministry, led by a modrad, who is now a progressive has done good work as well. Ive seen no evidence that a single party minority. The MRPT and the Progressives have not been active enough, true, but I see no FDT government would do better on its own, without their help.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 20, 2015 15:31:29 GMT -6
Ián P isn't a Cabinet minister, so I certainly don't include him (any more than I do you) in my criticism of ModRad cabinet minister screw-ups. Neither do I have a problem with the Foreign Minister, who is now a Prog; although the Prog leader will be the first to admit that his own performance has been pretty lame, and he isn't flamboyantly voting down the VoC because he's stung by criticism.
As for Lüc - I don't have any problems with his performance up until a month or two ago. That's the point where everyone started getting pissed off.
The question is not so much whether a FreeDem government could do with ModRad help or not - but a Coalition arrangement, where Cabinet posts are shared out on a "proportional representation" basis, has been one of the problems. As I repeatedly say: the Seneschál, if he could have, would have happily replaced the Minister of STUFF ages ago (and thanked him for his service), but couldn't because of the Coalition arrangement.
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