Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Dec 19, 2015 14:36:36 GMT -6
Hmmm. I agree with Dama Litz on II.6 - keep half and toss half - so how would a Për/Contrâ vote deal with that? Give 3 options?
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
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Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Dec 20, 2015 11:34:21 GMT -6
It would be a three way vote: per, contra, modify.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 26, 2015 22:42:00 GMT -6
Mr Chair, kindly bring this Committee to order!
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Dec 27, 2015 9:19:23 GMT -6
My apologies. With the holidays and a short vacation on my part, I had quite forgotten!
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Dec 27, 2015 9:24:28 GMT -6
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Posts: 4,001
Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Dec 27, 2015 10:22:59 GMT -6
Contra
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 27, 2015 12:38:46 GMT -6
Austáneu; I'm not fussed one way or the other.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Dec 27, 2015 13:13:37 GMT -6
Austáneu.
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Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN
Puisne Justice; Chancellor of the Royal Talossan Bar; Cunstaval to Florencia
Dame & Former Seneschal
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Dame Since: 9-8-2012
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Post by Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on Dec 27, 2015 17:06:14 GMT -6
Contra
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Dec 28, 2015 10:48:33 GMT -6
On Article I, I vote per.
I would suggest sending an e-mail to the members of the Commission when a vote is called, as some of the members don't use Witt that often. Especially if the voting period will be as short as three days. Even those of us who are fairly active on Witt can occasionally go a couple days without checking in.
I'll chime in on Article II shortly.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Dec 28, 2015 12:11:57 GMT -6
A good idea. Thanks.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Dec 28, 2015 13:54:54 GMT -6
I would be in favour of removing Art II Sec 1, it has no "real" function in the OrgLaw and would be better suited in a preamble than a actual article. Do you have any thoughts on how section 1 (or at least the second sentence) could be incorporated into the existing preamble? Section 2 is fine, just someone check the Talossan spelling is correct. This raises a potentially touchy issue. What do we mean by the "correct" spelling? The spelling is correct according to the CÚG's standards in 1997, but not according to today's standards (if you count a superfluous stressmark as a spelling issue). However, some Talossans don't accept the CÚG's reforms since 2005, and others accept some but not all of them. What standard are we to use for our proposed amendments? Section 3 could be re-worded slightly better to give a clearer understanding of what and where the Talossan territory is, which is easier to read and understand. The text towards the end can be removed. Here is how I would reword section 3: The bit about Cézembre could stand to be further clarified. Also, this section should probably address Péngöpäts and the New Falklands, which are mentioned elsewhere in the OrgLaw but not here. Section 4, could be included into Section 3. Agree. Section 5, replace "the Kingdom" with "Talossa", as the Kingdom has no definition in the OrgLaw whereas Talossa does in Section 2 above. Maybe a line to say where the capital is? Agree on the first point. As for a clarification of the location, I'd suggest adding a parenthetical stating "(formerly the main campus of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee)". Section 6, keep the first sentence, the later parts can be moved to El Lex. Also don't like the idea of a private council having full control over what is essentially the national language, therefore CUG should be established and regulated by law as a public body. The structure doesn't need to change but accountability does. I can live with moving the last sentence of section 6 to el Lexhatx. I can take or leave the second sentence. I do want to retain the first sentence. But should we consider adding recognition of Talossan English as an official language? Section 7, remove the 2nd sentence as it's more a cultural piece of information, than something which should be enforced by the OrgLaw. I'd prefer to leave section 7 alone. Maybe drop the last sentence (details of how the flag should be displayed can be left to statute), but I think the description of the symbolism of the flag should be kept with its official description. Section 8, perhaps this could be tidied up a bit? Like adding a couple of paragraph breaks? The wording looks alright to me. Section 9, amended to read "The National Anthem of Talossa is "Chirluschâ àl Glheþ." Its English translation, "Stand Tall, Talossans," shall have equal legal status." The later parts deleted and formalised into El Lex. Agree. Section 10, fine as it is. Agree.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
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Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
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Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 28, 2015 20:18:38 GMT -6
I like the idea of recognizing Talossan English.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jan 3, 2016 6:32:18 GMT -6
Article I Vote Result
2 Contra 2 Abstentions 1 Per
Article I is removed from the OrgLaw.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jan 3, 2016 6:33:38 GMT -6
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