Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
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Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Nov 21, 2015 13:13:52 GMT -6
This Government is misfunctional, the Monarchy is misfunctional, Talossa is misfunctional. The RUMP party ceased to function months ago and is now "AD" written on a rainbow.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Nov 21, 2015 13:20:58 GMT -6
This Government is misfunctional, the Monarchy is misfunctional, Talossa is misfunctional. The RUMP party ceased to function months ago and is now "AD" written on a rainbow. If you agree that this Government is so badly misfunctional and isn't getting it's work done -- if you agree with all of these problems -- then why are you taking aim at me or the RUMP? None of the RUMP are in the Government. Neither I, nor Cresti, nor Litz, nor Eovart G., nor Eovart X, nor Brad, nor Danihel are in the Government. We've had three terms of coalition government and a huge list of problems, and the only time some of them get fixed is when someone outside of the Government spends several days loudly complaining and forcing the Government to do it. The answer to, "Why is this Government doing a bad job" is not "because AD is the most active guy in the RUMP." You can't blame this one on me... the time is up for that. Time is up! If you agree this Government isn't working -- and the Minister of Culture agrees the current arrangement isn't working, and it sounds like everyone else agrees, then why aren't we calling for new elections? It doesn't sound like anyone has any confidence in this Government... so vote No Confidence! Time is up! Maybe the issue is that there are problems in management... people aren't being held accountable, used effectively, or appointed to the right places. I don't know.
Maybe the issue is that one party in particular is failing... some folks seem to think so, although fingers are getting pointed all over. I don't know.
Maybe the issue is that it's no one's fault and things are just terrible... that we need some excitement and energy and a chance. I don't know.
But whatever the issue is... time is up!
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Post by Françal Ian Lux on Nov 21, 2015 13:29:27 GMT -6
If you have twelve people (!!!) regularly contributing and doing things, then maybe this is a crisis of management. Twelve people should easily be able to do everything that needs doing in the Government over the course of a full term, with time left over for their own initiatives. An hour a week from twelve people for five months is like two hundred and forty man-hours of work. Most of the things on the list of problems and embarrassments need maybe an hour or two, even if you set aside fully half that time for immigration alone. Is the problem that the Government is just not being run well, even though it has so many people helping? And either way, everyone seems to be agreeing that this Government is misfunctional! That's not the point. Why bother having all these positions available to everyone to participate in if we're just gonna have the same people doing the jobs? What's the fun in that? If we're so satisfied with this twelve, let's just fire everyone who holds positions who are inactive, take them up ourselves and be done with it. Yes, we can run a government with only 12 people, but what's the point? Who are we running it for? For each other? Who here chose to immigrate to Talossa because they're so enamoured with the idea of running a country with only 12 active citizens? My point is the problem isn't really about how the government is running, the problem is with the people. There isn't any! Why bother then? The less active people there are, the more people lose motivation. The government is a machine that can kick start itself without any lagging or problems. The problem is the ones who're gonna kick start it. The FreeDems are struggling so hard to drag the entire coalition to the finish line and the government from shutting down! Dame Miestra, Dien, Donald, Dr. Nordselva and I are effectively the only ones consistently and effectively running the government. You, Ian, Sir Cresti, Epic, and the once-in-awhile contributor sums up our Kingdom's overall activity! We are all doing our jobs. We're here everyday. We make laws, we manage our responsibilities, we interact and get tired of each other. But the full scope of our responsibilities can't possibly impede on other people's. We trusted them to govern with us remember? That's why they have the positions they have. So where are they? I'm not sure whether it's because the holidays are coming up or if everyone else just lost interest, but yes I agree with you, this government is malfunctioning and now you know why I think it is.
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Post by Françal Ian Lux on Nov 21, 2015 13:35:41 GMT -6
On another point, stop pointing fingers! We can deal with whose fault it is later. If you want to blame us, fine, but do it later. We'll take our responsibility and deal with it, but not now. Do you all not agree what our main priority here is? We have this discussion prompted so let's have it! Let's all be productive, now, eh?
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Nov 21, 2015 14:00:11 GMT -6
I just want to point out the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has been kicking tail this entire term. Of course, I am biased but I noticed no one mentioning the work of this Ministry. The BHAID wasn't started with magic fairy dust.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Nov 21, 2015 14:12:00 GMT -6
Maybe the issue is overuse of big fonts by grandstanding demagogues.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Nov 21, 2015 17:04:37 GMT -6
The FreeDems are struggling so hard to drag the entire coalition to the finish line and the government from shutting down! Dame Miestra, Dien, Donald, Dr. Nordselva and I are effectively the only ones consistently and effectively running the government. ? ? ?
Is the MRPT just a baby in a stroller that you have to "drag" along with you?
MRPTers are in the Foreign Ministry, the Interior Ministry, the Finance Ministry, and the Ministry of STUFF, and you say the FreeDems are doing all the work? It sounds like you should vote against the VoC, the way you complain about your coalition partners.
I speak for the rest of my party when I say the MRPT will not tolerate being a scapegoat for all of this government's problems. Yes, we could all be more active, and I accept responsibility for our share of failures, but certainly they don't all belong to us.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Nov 21, 2015 17:53:04 GMT -6
By the way, where is Sevastáin Pinatsch? And the Foreign Minister quit the MRPT to join the Progs last month.
Once again, Ián, you may talk like a ModRad, but in your actions you seem to be a very firm disciple of AD. I look forward to your announcement as a RUMP candidate in the next election. Allà knows that AD could use a deputy.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Posts: 4,001
Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Nov 21, 2015 18:26:21 GMT -6
By the way, where is Sevastáin Pinatsch? And the Foreign Minister quit the MRPT to join the Progs last month. Once again, Ián, you may talk like a ModRad, but in your actions you seem to be a very firm disciple of AD. I look forward to your announcement as a RUMP candidate in the next election. Allà knows that AD could use a deputy. I didn't say an MRPTer was the Foreign Minister, I said that there is an MRPTer in the Foreign Ministry.
I may be one of the more conservative MRPTers, and I may agree with some of what AD has to say, but that in no way means I favor the RUMP. Must I disagree with AD simply because he is not in the coalition? That's the necessity of moderatism (and why I am in the MRPT); someone has to be able to see both sides of the issue.
And before you group me into the RUMP, consider that I have written bills to solve the Proclamation Crisis, remove the closed provinces rule, and institute Cosa lists; all of which were coalition objectives, and most of which were opposed by the RUMP to some degree. Not to go over my resume, but it is apparently necessary to remind everyone that I am not a RUMP pawn. I agree that actions speak louder than words, and my actions place me clearly as a moderate.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Nov 21, 2015 18:42:04 GMT -6
Yeah, yeah. I repeat: we'll see whether you're a RUMP MC after the next election. I'm sure AD is recruiting, and he'll say any amount of flattering things to you. More so than Lüc.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Posts: 4,001
Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Nov 21, 2015 18:52:36 GMT -6
Your accusations aren't based on fact. But this argument is boring and pointless anyway, so I will move on.
Here's a plan (though kind of vague I admit) to get active Ministers;
1. When the Ministries are being apportioned between the various coalition partners, don't assign the ministries to the parties first, and then to individuals. Keep them as a big pool, and assign based on merit and enthusiasm. If there is a qualified and enthusiastic candidate from outside the coalition, what better way to show the opposition that you at least will take them seriously?
2. When a Minister doesn't do their job, they should be warned, and then disposed. I don't Talossa has anyone who would purposefully gain a portfolio in order to not fulfill the duties, and so any patriotic Talossan should now that if they are unable to do their job, they should give it to someone else who can.
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Post by Breneir Itravilatx on Nov 21, 2015 19:17:43 GMT -6
Ahem, for the record I am not a member of the Progressive Party though I do count the members of the PP as personal friends and allies. Also, we are still a coalition and a team (if you will) and I would encourage us to remain united in the face of the usual and expected opposition from His Majesty's Opposition. The problems the opposition notes are the very same issues on which they were stricken.
I realize that election season is nigh but how about we focus more on the successes of this Government? And focus on using the time we have left to achieve as much as we can together as a coalition.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Nov 21, 2015 20:10:35 GMT -6
The Distáin didn't even vote on the Clark, though. Who does speak for the MRPT right now?
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Post by Françal Ian Lux on Nov 21, 2015 20:43:07 GMT -6
You speak of all these ModRads & PPs in office. Where are they, hmm? How many times have they posted? When have their ministries ever done anything one time or at all? Missing a deadline is one thing, but not doing it at all is another. How many of them have done their jobs MORE THAN what they're minimally required to do to keep their jobs? Yes Ián I am saying your party is a baby in a stroller. Actually I'm saying its less than that because a baby actually HAS to be in a stroller.
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Post by Françal Ian Lux on Nov 21, 2015 20:44:26 GMT -6
Look like I said, enough of this! We have this thread because we have a critical issue at hand. Point fingers & whine about each other to your hearts' content but not now. What are we going to do about this?
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