Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 7, 2015 9:42:39 GMT -6
WHEREAS BEER and UTal are both fairly defunct, and
WHEREAS BEER does not even have a permanent residence under one of the Cabinet ministries, and
WHEREAS Science is cool and we should do more of it, and WHEREAS If we created one large science association, it would encompass more than just teaching and rocketry, which, while cool, are just small niches, and
WHEREAS A more all-encompassing association would be more active and produce more findings
THEREFORE Lex.C.1.8, which currently reads
shall be amended to read
FURTHERMORE Lex.D.2.12 is hereby repealed.
Noi urent q'estadra så; Ian Plätschisch (MC-MRPT) Françal Ian Lux (MC-FDA) Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù (Senator to Cézembre)
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Sept 7, 2015 10:42:24 GMT -6
I would be loathe to placing the UTal under some Society’s jurisdiction.
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Post by Françal Ian Lux on Sept 7, 2015 11:10:34 GMT -6
I'm guessing the Society will be akin to NASA and Britain's Royal Society?
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Sept 7, 2015 11:11:21 GMT -6
This is a good start. If the Society is to be a replacement for the University, though, it should cover more than science. The full name of the original Royal Society is the Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge. The equivalents in several other countries are just called "Royal Society of Canada", etc. Here are some ideas for broader names:
Royal Society of Talossa Royal Society for the Advancement of Knowledge Royal Society of the Sciences and Humanities Royal Society of the Sciences and the Arts Royal Society of Science and Art
Here's an idea for rewriting the substance of the section to provide a broader scope:
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Post by Françal Ian Lux on Sept 7, 2015 11:15:08 GMT -6
This is a good start. If the Society is to be a replacement for the University, though, it should cover more than science. The full name of the original Royal Society is the Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge. The equivalents in several other countries are just called "Royal Society of Canada", etc. Here are some ideas for broader names: Royal Society of Talossa Royal Society for the Advancement of Knowledge Royal Society of the Sciences and Humanities Royal Society of the Sciences and the Arts Royal Society of Science and Art Here's an idea for rewriting the substance of the section to provide a broader scope: I like this idea but here's a thought. Why don't we have a Royal Society of Talossa which is headed by a president then we could have it branch off into the different Societies (e.g. RS of Humanities, RS of Sciences, etc.). Each of the sub departments should be headed by a dean or something like that. The RS of Talossa should be dedicated to BOTH teaching AND learning.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 7, 2015 11:17:43 GMT -6
This is a good start. If the Society is to be a replacement for the University, though, it should cover more than science. The full name of the original Royal Society is the Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge. The equivalents in several other countries are just called "Royal Society of Canada", etc. Here are some ideas for broader names: Royal Society of Talossa Royal Society for the Advancement of Knowledge Royal Society of the Sciences and Humanities Royal Society of the Sciences and the Arts Royal Society of Science and Art Here's an idea for rewriting the substance of the section to provide a broader scope: I like this idea but here's a thought. Why don't we have a Royal Society of Talossa which is headed by a president then we could have it branch off into the different Societies (e.g. RS of Humanities, RS of Sciences, etc.). Each of the sub departments should be headed by a dean or something like that. The RS of Talossa should be dedicated to BOTH teaching AND learning. We can go there once we know one of those areas will be active enough to support its own subdivision
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 7, 2015 11:21:28 GMT -6
This is a good start. If the Society is to be a replacement for the University, though, it should cover more than science. The full name of the original Royal Society is the Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge. The equivalents in several other countries are just called "Royal Society of Canada", etc. Here are some ideas for broader names: Royal Society of Talossa Royal Society for the Advancement of Knowledge Royal Society of the Sciences and Humanities Royal Society of the Sciences and the Arts Royal Society of Science and Art Here's an idea for rewriting the substance of the section to provide a broader scope: Cool. The broader it is the more it will be used.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Sept 7, 2015 13:33:45 GMT -6
I like this idea but here's a thought. Why don't we have a Royal Society of Talossa which is headed by a president then we could have it branch off into the different Societies (e.g. RS of Humanities, RS of Sciences, etc.). Each of the sub departments should be headed by a dean or something like that. The RS of Talossa should be dedicated to BOTH teaching AND learning. Yes, I had a similar idea. But I agree with Ian that we should see what kind of sustained activity level the Society can support before making decisions about subsidiary organisations. One idea is to broadly charge the Society with promoting study in certain areas, and if the Society ends up growing and being very active those areas of study could form the basis of component academies, like the Royal Society of Canada, the Royal Society of Thailand, and the Institut de France. For example, the Royal Society of Canada consists of the Academy of Arts and Humanities, the Academy of Social Sciences, and the Academy of Science.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Sept 7, 2015 15:04:43 GMT -6
I do like this Royal Society idea. Would there be room for linguistic research under its banner?
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Óïn Ursüm
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on Sept 7, 2015 15:10:04 GMT -6
I don't understand why repackaging the University in a Royal Society would make it more active? I say fold BEER into UTal, but keep the University of Talossa name.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 7, 2015 15:15:12 GMT -6
I do like this Royal Society idea. Would there be room for linguistic research under its banner? That would go under humanities. So yes, there would.
If language research boomed in this society, we could establish its own academy/institute under the larger banner of the Society. I don't know how attached people are to the CuG (it must be fairly important if it is written into the Organic Law), but theoretically we could glom that on in a similar way as BEER. We should probably wait and see about that, though.
Speaking of combining things, what if we add the Royal Law Academy into this mix? It could be sorted into the social sciences, and would be easier to access. Can anyone tell me where I can find it as of now? I am close to being a citizen for six months and want to start the process of becoming a lawyer. Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN?
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 7, 2015 15:17:48 GMT -6
I don't understand why repackaging the University in a Royal Society would make it more active? I say fold BEER into UTal, but keep the University of Talossa name. Keeping the UTal name keeps the emphasis placed on education, which, looking at the UTal boards, there has not been a lot of that going on recently. By broadening the scope, we place the emphasis more on research and discovery in general, with traditional and self-taught classes being offered as convenient.
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Óïn Ursüm
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on Sept 7, 2015 15:22:29 GMT -6
I don't understand why repackaging the University in a Royal Society would make it more active? I say fold BEER into UTal, but keep the University of Talossa name. Keeping the UTal name keeps the emphasis placed on education, which, looking at the UTal boards, there has not been a lot of that going on recently. By broadening the scope, we place the emphasis more on research and discovery in general, with traditional and self-taught classes being offered as convenient. But Universities are traditionally places of research (in fact, this is often the major focus of established universities)! I would rather have any research take place within a University framework, with degrees attainable by producing a substantial thesis ( abilitaziun). Perhaps anyone with a viable project could apply to become a Research Fellow of the University? Essentially, I like your idea, but I'd rather we continue to view the University as the all-encompassing thing, with research and teaching both taking place within the same institution.
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Ian Plätschisch
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Sept 7, 2015 15:29:16 GMT -6
Because we have such a small populace, the Society is designed to be easily accessible for anyone who has a research idea or completed research to present. There is no channel in UTal currently available to do this. We could institute fellows in the Society, but earning degrees is not the main goal.
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Óïn Ursüm
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Post by Óïn Ursüm on Sept 7, 2015 15:31:29 GMT -6
Because we have such a small populace, the Society is designed to be easily accessible for anyone who has a research idea or completed research to present. There is no channel in UTal currently available to do this. We could institute fellows in the Society, but earning degrees is not the main goal. Why not broaden UTal to include these things, rather than create a new society? As you say, we have a small population, and as such we only really need one academic organisation -- and I think that it should be called a University, whatever the precise details of its mission.
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